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> somewhat controversial secondary education system {{citation}} I'm a german, have gone through gymnasium and have a sibling who didn't, and many other famil

> somewhat controversial secondary education system {{citation}} I'm a german, have gone through gymnasium and have a sibling who didn't, and many other family members who went through either of the three tracks. I have never heard anyone complain and am not aware of any controversy whatsoever, especially since students are provided ample opportunity to switch tracks at multiple points, and upgrade after the fact. Please provide reference to this controversy you claim.

kuschku 11y ago
As a German, there is a huuge controversy about it. - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regionale_Schule https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regionale_Schule - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesamtschule https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesamtschule - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profiloberstufe https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profiloberstufe The whole discussion about it even led to some states abolishing the old system and introducing "Gesamtschulen mit gymnasialer Oberstufe", essentially, the US middle/high-school system. In other places, the Profiloberstufe was introduced. In even other places, in the same city, Gesamtschulen, Regionalschulen, G8, G9, Profiloberstufe AND erweitertes Kurssystem exist next to each other!
- Mithaldu 11y ago
  That's not a huge controversy. A huge controversy is when you have people actually arguing about it. This looks like a few places experimenting. > Profiloberstufe This is a cost-saving measure. > Regionale Schule This doesn't include Gymnasium. > Gesamtschule This comes close, but effectively is just a school that combines all three tracks into one, with different students leaving at different grades. Notably it also has a reduced quality of education. > some states abolishing the old system "Abolishing"? Really? Which Bundesland has verboten solitary Gymnasiums? I couldn't see it in the article about Gesamtschule and google also didn't give me anything.
  - kuschku 11y ago
    Some states forbid Hauptschule and Realschule, and some states forbid G9 and/or Kursoberstufe. It’s quite a large debate.
- tsotha 11y ago
  >The whole discussion about it even led to some states abolishing the old system and introducing "Gesamtschulen mit gymnasialer Oberstufe", essentially, the US middle/high-school system. What a mistake. The German system may seem less "fair" to certain people, but at least it works. In the US we've somehow come to the conclusion we can build a society that consists only of highly educated professionals and somehow the toilets will fix themselves.
  - Mithaldu 11y ago
    > What a mistake. Do note that he still has to substantiate this. I live in germany and i don't know of or can find any place that actually has done this abolishing.
    - kuschku 11y ago
      *she And there is a lot of discussion about it, and people hate it. Schleswig-Holstein has currently forbidden Hauptschule and Realschule, and there were discussions about also remove Gymnasien, but that idea was quickly thrown away. Currently, in Kronshagen there is now an Integrierte Gesamtschule mit gymnasialer Oberstufe, which is already one of the first schools of the "one size fits all" kind.
      - Mithaldu 11y ago
        So there's one state, which hasn't abolished the old system, but merely merged the two shorter courses. Those are very different things, but thanks for clarifying that. Further, i asked for references because i have never seen any debates about any of this. So far: No links or explanations on where or how this is being discussed, only vague claims. I really recommend you reconsider whether you're seeing debate within the circles you move in, or actually generalized across the whole country.
        kuschku 11y ago
        Well, it’s a debate in my state – which is still a large debate. I obviously don’t know how it’s outside of HH / S-H, as these are the only states that I know did it, but Wikipedia says about 10 states did it.

kuschku 11y ago

As a German, there is a huuge controversy about it. - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regionale_Schule https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regionale_Schule - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesamtschule https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesamtschule - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profiloberstufe https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profiloberstufe The whole discussion about it even led to some states abolishing the old system and introducing "Gesamtschulen mit gymnasialer Oberstufe", essentially, the US middle/high-school system. In other places, the Profiloberstufe was introduced. In even other places, in the same city, Gesamtschulen, Regionalschulen, G8, G9, Profiloberstufe AND erweitertes Kurssystem exist next to each other!

Mithaldu 11y ago
That's not a huge controversy. A huge controversy is when you have people actually arguing about it. This looks like a few places experimenting. > Profiloberstufe This is a cost-saving measure. > Regionale Schule This doesn't include Gymnasium. > Gesamtschule This comes close, but effectively is just a school that combines all three tracks into one, with different students leaving at different grades. Notably it also has a reduced quality of education. > some states abolishing the old system "Abolishing"? Really? Which Bundesland has verboten solitary Gymnasiums? I couldn't see it in the article about Gesamtschule and google also didn't give me anything.
- kuschku 11y ago
  Some states forbid Hauptschule and Realschule, and some states forbid G9 and/or Kursoberstufe. It’s quite a large debate.
tsotha 11y ago
>The whole discussion about it even led to some states abolishing the old system and introducing "Gesamtschulen mit gymnasialer Oberstufe", essentially, the US middle/high-school system. What a mistake. The German system may seem less "fair" to certain people, but at least it works. In the US we've somehow come to the conclusion we can build a society that consists only of highly educated professionals and somehow the toilets will fix themselves.
- Mithaldu 11y ago
  > What a mistake. Do note that he still has to substantiate this. I live in germany and i don't know of or can find any place that actually has done this abolishing.
  - kuschku 11y ago
    *she And there is a lot of discussion about it, and people hate it. Schleswig-Holstein has currently forbidden Hauptschule and Realschule, and there were discussions about also remove Gymnasien, but that idea was quickly thrown away. Currently, in Kronshagen there is now an Integrierte Gesamtschule mit gymnasialer Oberstufe, which is already one of the first schools of the "one size fits all" kind.
    - Mithaldu 11y ago
      So there's one state, which hasn't abolished the old system, but merely merged the two shorter courses. Those are very different things, but thanks for clarifying that. Further, i asked for references because i have never seen any debates about any of this. So far: No links or explanations on where or how this is being discussed, only vague claims. I really recommend you reconsider whether you're seeing debate within the circles you move in, or actually generalized across the whole country.
      - kuschku 11y ago
        Well, it’s a debate in my state – which is still a large debate. I obviously don’t know how it’s outside of HH / S-H, as these are the only states that I know did it, but Wikipedia says about 10 states did it.