>Source: anecdotal data trashing those who you don't agree with isn't a fair justification to downvote. My point is proven in the _first_ and _third_ steps of

>Source: anecdotal data trashing those who you don't agree with isn't a fair justification to downvote. My point is proven in the _first_ and _third_ steps of the program, In the admission that you have a problem, and that you are helpless to solve the problem yourself, respectively. [0][1] What about your point? Your personal opinion of it? It is the admission that you are _helpless_ to your disease, and it is that very reason you don't have the self efficacy to overcome your issues yourself. An ego death involves, in albeit, sometimes flawed Jungian psychology a loss of identity, and A transformation of ones psyche in such a way that the Self is not perceived the same way after such transformation.[2] MY argument is that AA involves such ego death in that your admission over having a lack of self-efficacy in solving your own alcoholism is transformative, and you can't do it without the group or other external help, a la Step 3. I am a different person than you. I find my inability to solve problems for myself _weakness_. And just because you disagree, instead of positing an argument against my thoughts, you downvote my comment and claim you "read the book." This was the same exact fashion of discourse that had me leave AA in the first place. I handled "alcoholism" differently. My life is a legal nightmare but alcohol isn't a personal issue. In sum: People read things differently. But you don't see my flagging your comments because I disagree. [0] a real source: http://www.alcoholic.org/research/aa-step-1/ http://www.alcoholic.org/research/aa-step-1/ [1] http://www.alcoholic.org/research/aa-step-3/ http://www.alcoholic.org/research/aa-step-3/ [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_death https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_death my source: sentenced to AA, went to a few meetings, found it damaging, and worked out an alternative treatment plan with court.