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> First, Germany has a problem with social support even for Germans, Hartz 4 is horribly low and injust. Hartz 4 (long-term unemplyment aid) is basically what

by jpfr 11y ago

> First, Germany has a problem with social support even for Germans, Hartz 4 is horribly low and injust. Hartz 4 (long-term unemplyment aid) is basically what the country can sustainably pay without getting into the same debt spiral of Greece, etc. It's enough to survive, but not much more. > Financial social support is one of the problems currently with the immigrants: It is basically non-existant. No EU region has a lower median salary than this. During the processing of their asyl request, immigrants get money for housing, food, basic medical services and 140 Euro/month for leisure. Once their asyl request is accepted, they are entitled to the same social aid as any German. But you need to see money in context. Other European countries have a much lower cost of living. > Second, Immigrants are not guests, they are immigrants or fugitives, and possibly supposed to stay. Immigrants who are not fleeing from a humanitarian crisis get denied asyl and are expelled.

erikb 11y ago
Greetings from a German. While everybody discusses if Germany can afford fugitives and Hartz 4, some more realistic newspapers post that German rich have become richer and richer over the last 5 years. Until now Germany is probably one of the countries that gained the most from this century's crises. It's just that it's not shared properly between all people. Old, sick and unemployed probably have lost since 2010 because of politics not because of economic crisis.
Mithaldu 11y ago
>> First, Germany has a problem with social support even for Germans, Hartz 4 is horribly low and injust. >Hartz 4 (long-term unemplyment aid) is basically what the country can sustainably pay Pretty much. The deal with Hartz 4 is that it is a basic income that applies to every adult (children get a special deal), period. Even if you're employed you can apply for it if a certain calculation of your income minus deductions doesn't make the Hartz 4 line. That is a lot of people. Some people do have problems with it however since it's an average. As such, depending on where you are, it will be more or less affordable. In west germany it will be less affordable to love on it than in east germany. In city centers less so than on the fringes or in small communities. I have family members on Hartz 4 in the "poorest" (most economically weak, really) parts of germany and they live VERY comfortably. Where you are determines how "just" you will feel it is. What people generally don't see though is that Hartz 4 is a LOT more than you get in other countries. Germany for example does not have a homeless problem like some other places i see in the news sometimes. And while complaining about Hartz 4 being too low, they also simultaneously complain about taxes being too high.

by jpfr 11y ago

erikb 11y ago

Greetings from a German. While everybody discusses if Germany can afford fugitives and Hartz 4, some more realistic newspapers post that German rich have become richer and richer over the last 5 years. Until now Germany is probably one of the countries that gained the most from this century's crises. It's just that it's not shared properly between all people. Old, sick and unemployed probably have lost since 2010 because of politics not because of economic crisis.

Mithaldu 11y ago

>> First, Germany has a problem with social support even for Germans, Hartz 4 is horribly low and injust. >Hartz 4 (long-term unemplyment aid) is basically what the country can sustainably pay Pretty much. The deal with Hartz 4 is that it is a basic income that applies to every adult (children get a special deal), period. Even if you're employed you can apply for it if a certain calculation of your income minus deductions doesn't make the Hartz 4 line. That is a lot of people. Some people do have problems with it however since it's an average. As such, depending on where you are, it will be more or less affordable. In west germany it will be less affordable to love on it than in east germany. In city centers less so than on the fringes or in small communities. I have family members on Hartz 4 in the "poorest" (most economically weak, really) parts of germany and they live VERY comfortably. Where you are determines how "just" you will feel it is. What people generally don't see though is that Hartz 4 is a LOT more than you get in other countries. Germany for example does not have a homeless problem like some other places i see in the news sometimes. And while complaining about Hartz 4 being too low, they also simultaneously complain about taxes being too high.