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Philippines = best SMO posters in the world and cheap.

by catfish 17y ago

zaidf 17y ago
Interesting. What exactly do they do under "SMO" umbrella?
- rantfoil 17y ago
  wince SMO = spam social networks with garbage posts to get better page rank. That's the kind of stuff we have to spend hours and hours banning. sigh
  - catfish 17y ago
    SMO != spam in every case. This is not the kind of stuff you spend one second banning since none of it is posted to your sites. It is strictly created by and for and posted on the sites owned by the clients. When you step out of the box and think, you can find plenty of legitimate ways to leverage low cost content providers, for profit. You can stop wincing now...
    - zaidf 17y ago
      I agree, there is a right way and a wrong way to do SMO. I think you'll agree that most people offering their SMO services are either selling snake oil or spam. Few seem to know how to do it right. You seem to be in the minority so I'd love to learn more, especially in the context of what the folks overseas do. Are we talking about them writing quality copy for your website that hit on specific keywords? That would be SEO territory but I know people using Mechanical Turk and other services to get decent-quality copy written for cheap.
      - catfish 17y ago
        I graduated from Mechanical Turk to full timers about 2 years ago when our client load increased. Though SEO is a part of our work, the real money is in traffic. We achieve a better than 1/100th CPA cost with SMO as compared to PPC with Google. Think about it. Someone who clicks through to your page from Twitter/Facebook/Linked In is a known quantity. What do you know about someone that clicks on a paid link in google. Nothing. What does it cost for that click? Only your monthly publishing cost per account divided by total clicks per month. And when someone walks through the door from SMO, you got a @name, you can look up their bio, you got their thoughts in their tweets, and you know where they are from. And it cost a fraction of the price you pay Google for an unqualified, anonymous click. And with Twitter you have zero click fraud. I have cracked the code on CPA using Twitter and it begins with killer content. And I use staffing in the Philippines which cost 1/15th American dollars for same person, no taxation, no flooring cost, no legal issues. If I were Google, I would definitely figure out how to buy Twitter before it eats their PPC lunch. There are a whole lot of us X-PPC guys who no longer pay ridiculous fees to the search engines. As for the Turk, the cost is a little more than the PI and with your own staffing, you get the added bonus of continuity. You also get the benefits of knowing your staff, weekly quality review meetings, standardization of process, and a consistent quality that I found missing with Mechanical Turk. I would still recommend MT though for anyone running a few sites who needs less than full time commitment for projects.
        zaidf 17y ago
        Wow, that's very insightful! Just knowing we've people here actually succeeding with twitter. Do you have bunch of niche twitter accounts with a lot of followers that you built up which directs people to your content sites that bring in the dough? I'm trying to understand the general twitter flow.
  - zaidf 17y ago
    If it's coming across as spam, I don't think they are doing it right:) I have friends that make a killing from SEO and they have blogs on Tumblr and cough Posterous that they tactically use for SEO. They also spend hours writing the content.
- catfish 17y ago
  In twitter they queue up several content messages a day and schedule them for release using hootsuite on our clients twitter sites. The staff also singles out friend and follower tweets and re-tweets them. And they respond to all @mentions on the sites we run for clients customer service accounts. For our blog review sites they are the source of the reviews we create. For our product news sites they do product write ups. For our e-book sites they write the e-books. For clients who need whitepapers, they write them. We do not post on any sites other than our own or on client SMO accounts. We never post anonymously, we never post on a site that is not registered to a paying client. We do not spam. Spam is for folks who can't originate good content. Over half our content gets re-tweeted, or link backs, so we are doing this the right way. There is a lot more but the basic principle is that if we are being paid by a client to post on their properties, its legitimate. If they don't own the property, we don't work with them.

Philippines = best SMO posters in the world and cheap.

by catfish 17y ago

Philippines = best SMO posters in the world and cheap.

zaidf 17y ago

Interesting. What exactly do they do under "SMO" umbrella?

rantfoil 17y ago
wince SMO = spam social networks with garbage posts to get better page rank. That's the kind of stuff we have to spend hours and hours banning. sigh
- catfish 17y ago
  SMO != spam in every case. This is not the kind of stuff you spend one second banning since none of it is posted to your sites. It is strictly created by and for and posted on the sites owned by the clients. When you step out of the box and think, you can find plenty of legitimate ways to leverage low cost content providers, for profit. You can stop wincing now...
  - zaidf 17y ago
    I agree, there is a right way and a wrong way to do SMO. I think you'll agree that most people offering their SMO services are either selling snake oil or spam. Few seem to know how to do it right. You seem to be in the minority so I'd love to learn more, especially in the context of what the folks overseas do. Are we talking about them writing quality copy for your website that hit on specific keywords? That would be SEO territory but I know people using Mechanical Turk and other services to get decent-quality copy written for cheap.
    - catfish 17y ago
      I graduated from Mechanical Turk to full timers about 2 years ago when our client load increased. Though SEO is a part of our work, the real money is in traffic. We achieve a better than 1/100th CPA cost with SMO as compared to PPC with Google. Think about it. Someone who clicks through to your page from Twitter/Facebook/Linked In is a known quantity. What do you know about someone that clicks on a paid link in google. Nothing. What does it cost for that click? Only your monthly publishing cost per account divided by total clicks per month. And when someone walks through the door from SMO, you got a @name, you can look up their bio, you got their thoughts in their tweets, and you know where they are from. And it cost a fraction of the price you pay Google for an unqualified, anonymous click. And with Twitter you have zero click fraud. I have cracked the code on CPA using Twitter and it begins with killer content. And I use staffing in the Philippines which cost 1/15th American dollars for same person, no taxation, no flooring cost, no legal issues. If I were Google, I would definitely figure out how to buy Twitter before it eats their PPC lunch. There are a whole lot of us X-PPC guys who no longer pay ridiculous fees to the search engines. As for the Turk, the cost is a little more than the PI and with your own staffing, you get the added bonus of continuity. You also get the benefits of knowing your staff, weekly quality review meetings, standardization of process, and a consistent quality that I found missing with Mechanical Turk. I would still recommend MT though for anyone running a few sites who needs less than full time commitment for projects.
      - zaidf 17y ago
        Wow, that's very insightful! Just knowing we've people here actually succeeding with twitter. Do you have bunch of niche twitter accounts with a lot of followers that you built up which directs people to your content sites that bring in the dough? I'm trying to understand the general twitter flow.
- zaidf 17y ago
  If it's coming across as spam, I don't think they are doing it right:) I have friends that make a killing from SEO and they have blogs on Tumblr and cough Posterous that they tactically use for SEO. They also spend hours writing the content.
catfish 17y ago
In twitter they queue up several content messages a day and schedule them for release using hootsuite on our clients twitter sites. The staff also singles out friend and follower tweets and re-tweets them. And they respond to all @mentions on the sites we run for clients customer service accounts. For our blog review sites they are the source of the reviews we create. For our product news sites they do product write ups. For our e-book sites they write the e-books. For clients who need whitepapers, they write them. We do not post on any sites other than our own or on client SMO accounts. We never post anonymously, we never post on a site that is not registered to a paying client. We do not spam. Spam is for folks who can't originate good content. Over half our content gets re-tweeted, or link backs, so we are doing this the right way. There is a lot more but the basic principle is that if we are being paid by a client to post on their properties, its legitimate. If they don't own the property, we don't work with them.