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400,- Euro plus your actual rent, plus free health insurance plus some other benefits. A value of around 1000 Euro. Working for 40 hours per week for 10 Euro (

by tiatia 11y ago

400,- Euro plus your actual rent, plus free health insurance plus some other benefits. A value of around 1000 Euro. Working for 40 hours per week for 10 Euro (above the minumum wage) gets you 1600 Euro before taxes. After taxes you are close to the 1000 Euro you get for free. For 70-80% of the world population this sounds too good to be true. The Germans lost their minds...

quonn 11y ago
> For 70-80% of the world population this sounds too good to be true. Not sure what you're getting at here. For most of the world population the situation in _any_ rich country sounds too good to be true. The fact is that these people are mostly refugees and they come because of unbearable situations at home, war, etc. _If_ they come to Germany, we will make sure that they can get access to health care, for the same reasons we make sure our fellow unemployed citizens also get access. Nothing wrong with that.
- klibertp 11y ago
  The question is why do they insist on getting to Germany and Germany alone? Living in Poland, which is I think the second largest neighbour of Germany (after France) I have to wonder, why don't we see them staying here? My SO works on immigration-related statistics and she says nearly 90% of immigrants who get to us and apply for refugee status immediately leave for other countries. Granting a war refugee status may take a while, but we provide them with food, clothes and shelter for the whole time. The conditions there are better than what most of our homeless can count on. We, of course, give them access to healthcare too. It may not be on the level of Germany, but it's there and I imagine, compared to Syria, it's still "too good to be true". Most of the immigrants just won't stay here. I don't know why and no one really is asking this question in the media. I'd like to understand this. And please note: this is nearly exclusively about Middle East immigrants. We get some - not that many - immigrants from Ukraine, both refugees and economical immigrants, and most of them choose to stay here. Almost none of them decide to travel further West without first waiting for getting their formal refugee status recognized. I'd really appreciate any insight into the reasons for this behaviour.
  - danbruc 11y ago
    One thing I read once was that one of the most important factor for where to seek asylum is where there already is a significant community from the home country. According to that article there are also some nationalities that just pass through Germany because there are no established community of those nationalities. And of course when you already fleet a long distance why wouldn't you cross one more border if it likely improves your situation even if the other country already provides decent support? Nowhere do small differences matter that much as at the lower end of society.
- tiatia 11y ago
  "we will make sure that they can get access to health care, for the same reasons" Who pays for this? And for how many can you pay? Most of these people are uneducated and are from tribal societies with a lower threshold for violence. "we make sure our fellow unemployed citizens also get access." I know many counter examples to this in Germany.
dzhiurgis 11y ago
quonn, I guess the original comment meant that this support even sounds good for some EU countries. There are EU countries with median wage of 350 Euro.

by tiatia 11y ago

quonn 11y ago

> For 70-80% of the world population this sounds too good to be true. Not sure what you're getting at here. For most of the world population the situation in _any_ rich country sounds too good to be true. The fact is that these people are mostly refugees and they come because of unbearable situations at home, war, etc. _If_ they come to Germany, we will make sure that they can get access to health care, for the same reasons we make sure our fellow unemployed citizens also get access. Nothing wrong with that.

klibertp 11y ago
The question is why do they insist on getting to Germany and Germany alone? Living in Poland, which is I think the second largest neighbour of Germany (after France) I have to wonder, why don't we see them staying here? My SO works on immigration-related statistics and she says nearly 90% of immigrants who get to us and apply for refugee status immediately leave for other countries. Granting a war refugee status may take a while, but we provide them with food, clothes and shelter for the whole time. The conditions there are better than what most of our homeless can count on. We, of course, give them access to healthcare too. It may not be on the level of Germany, but it's there and I imagine, compared to Syria, it's still "too good to be true". Most of the immigrants just won't stay here. I don't know why and no one really is asking this question in the media. I'd like to understand this. And please note: this is nearly exclusively about Middle East immigrants. We get some - not that many - immigrants from Ukraine, both refugees and economical immigrants, and most of them choose to stay here. Almost none of them decide to travel further West without first waiting for getting their formal refugee status recognized. I'd really appreciate any insight into the reasons for this behaviour.
- danbruc 11y ago
  One thing I read once was that one of the most important factor for where to seek asylum is where there already is a significant community from the home country. According to that article there are also some nationalities that just pass through Germany because there are no established community of those nationalities. And of course when you already fleet a long distance why wouldn't you cross one more border if it likely improves your situation even if the other country already provides decent support? Nowhere do small differences matter that much as at the lower end of society.
tiatia 11y ago
"we will make sure that they can get access to health care, for the same reasons" Who pays for this? And for how many can you pay? Most of these people are uneducated and are from tribal societies with a lower threshold for violence. "we make sure our fellow unemployed citizens also get access." I know many counter examples to this in Germany.

dzhiurgis 11y ago

quonn, I guess the original comment meant that this support even sounds good for some EU countries. There are EU countries with median wage of 350 Euro.