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If you become unemployed in Germany you get unemployment benefits depending on your previous salary for one year I think. After that you get social benefits bas

by danbruc 11y ago

If you become unemployed in Germany you get unemployment benefits depending on your previous salary for one year I think. After that you get social benefits based on the existential minimum, roughly 400,- Euro plus your actual rent and you can request additional support for special circumstances like getting a baby. And because this is defined as the existential minimum refugees receive the same. Not sure what you mean with inviting refugees and letting others care for them. Germany surely doesn't ask for more refugees but we will take care of the ones coming here.

prodmerc 11y ago
I thought of applying for benefits, but seeing how my fellow countrymen abuse them ("woo, the stupid Germans give me an apartment and pay me while I also work illegally"), decided not to. Maybe I made a mistake, I sure could use more money :-). We should bring more Germans into the government, they can take care of things, lol
scotty79 11y ago
So he's right that social support for immigrants (and other jobless people in Germany) is higher than median (even average) salary in some regions of EU? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_...
- quonn 11y ago
  Clearly almost all countries have far higher averages. Also, the immigrants have to live in Germany, where the cost of living is much higher than the parts of Europe with a low salary.
  - scotty79 11y ago
    Median salary is lower than average. Also 400 euro + rent was mentioned. I believe that given this almost all of "new" EU countries have median salaries below German welfare check.
tiatia 11y ago
400,- Euro plus your actual rent, plus free health insurance plus some other benefits. A value of around 1000 Euro. Working for 40 hours per week for 10 Euro (above the minumum wage) gets you 1600 Euro before taxes. After taxes you are close to the 1000 Euro you get for free. For 70-80% of the world population this sounds too good to be true. The Germans lost their minds...
- quonn 11y ago
  > For 70-80% of the world population this sounds too good to be true. Not sure what you're getting at here. For most of the world population the situation in _any_ rich country sounds too good to be true. The fact is that these people are mostly refugees and they come because of unbearable situations at home, war, etc. _If_ they come to Germany, we will make sure that they can get access to health care, for the same reasons we make sure our fellow unemployed citizens also get access. Nothing wrong with that.
  - klibertp 11y ago
    The question is why do they insist on getting to Germany and Germany alone? Living in Poland, which is I think the second largest neighbour of Germany (after France) I have to wonder, why don't we see them staying here? My SO works on immigration-related statistics and she says nearly 90% of immigrants who get to us and apply for refugee status immediately leave for other countries. Granting a war refugee status may take a while, but we provide them with food, clothes and shelter for the whole time. The conditions there are better than what most of our homeless can count on. We, of course, give them access to healthcare too. It may not be on the level of Germany, but it's there and I imagine, compared to Syria, it's still "too good to be true". Most of the immigrants just won't stay here. I don't know why and no one really is asking this question in the media. I'd like to understand this. And please note: this is nearly exclusively about Middle East immigrants. We get some - not that many - immigrants from Ukraine, both refugees and economical immigrants, and most of them choose to stay here. Almost none of them decide to travel further West without first waiting for getting their formal refugee status recognized. I'd really appreciate any insight into the reasons for this behaviour.

by danbruc 11y ago

prodmerc 11y ago

I thought of applying for benefits, but seeing how my fellow countrymen abuse them ("woo, the stupid Germans give me an apartment and pay me while I also work illegally"), decided not to. Maybe I made a mistake, I sure could use more money :-). We should bring more Germans into the government, they can take care of things, lol

scotty79 11y ago

So he's right that social support for immigrants (and other jobless people in Germany) is higher than median (even average) salary in some regions of EU? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_...

quonn 11y ago
Clearly almost all countries have far higher averages. Also, the immigrants have to live in Germany, where the cost of living is much higher than the parts of Europe with a low salary.
- scotty79 11y ago
  Median salary is lower than average. Also 400 euro + rent was mentioned. I believe that given this almost all of "new" EU countries have median salaries below German welfare check.

tiatia 11y ago

400,- Euro plus your actual rent, plus free health insurance plus some other benefits. A value of around 1000 Euro. Working for 40 hours per week for 10 Euro (above the minumum wage) gets you 1600 Euro before taxes. After taxes you are close to the 1000 Euro you get for free. For 70-80% of the world population this sounds too good to be true. The Germans lost their minds...

quonn 11y ago
> For 70-80% of the world population this sounds too good to be true. Not sure what you're getting at here. For most of the world population the situation in _any_ rich country sounds too good to be true. The fact is that these people are mostly refugees and they come because of unbearable situations at home, war, etc. _If_ they come to Germany, we will make sure that they can get access to health care, for the same reasons we make sure our fellow unemployed citizens also get access. Nothing wrong with that.
- klibertp 11y ago
  The question is why do they insist on getting to Germany and Germany alone? Living in Poland, which is I think the second largest neighbour of Germany (after France) I have to wonder, why don't we see them staying here? My SO works on immigration-related statistics and she says nearly 90% of immigrants who get to us and apply for refugee status immediately leave for other countries. Granting a war refugee status may take a while, but we provide them with food, clothes and shelter for the whole time. The conditions there are better than what most of our homeless can count on. We, of course, give them access to healthcare too. It may not be on the level of Germany, but it's there and I imagine, compared to Syria, it's still "too good to be true". Most of the immigrants just won't stay here. I don't know why and no one really is asking this question in the media. I'd like to understand this. And please note: this is nearly exclusively about Middle East immigrants. We get some - not that many - immigrants from Ukraine, both refugees and economical immigrants, and most of them choose to stay here. Almost none of them decide to travel further West without first waiting for getting their formal refugee status recognized. I'd really appreciate any insight into the reasons for this behaviour.