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Lovely, Germany invites people, but demands other countries to take care of their guests. Social support for immigrants in Germany is higher then median salary

by jkot 11y ago

Lovely, Germany invites people, but demands other countries to take care of their guests. Social support for immigrants in Germany is higher then median salary in many EU regions.

weland 11y ago
Outrageous that they'd bring European solidarity into this. /s
- h7780 11y ago
  Funny how "solidarity" reappears now after a prolonged absence during the banking meltdowns in Ireland and Greece.
- leaveyou 11y ago
  If Germany wanted to really help those refugees as it pretends then it should have allocated X millions of euros from its budget and should have sent humanitarian aid in Turkey where these immigrants are living currently. Encouraging those immigrants to continue to trample all the borders and countries between Turkey and Germany at great risk of dying on the road and complete chaos, is not a wise thing to do if Germany really cared about "european solidarity".
  - Squarel 11y ago
    So you think it is better that Turkey shoulders 1.6m extra inhabitants, while Europe gets all excitable about a few hundred thousand?
    - leaveyou 11y ago
      As a neighbor and active participant to the destabilization of Syria, yes Turkey should shoulder the consequences. Those people have to return to their homes after the war and not wander in a hostile Europe where they can't integrate.
      - weland 11y ago
        Arguably, at least NATO countries should shoulder some of those consequences as well. ISIS didn't just spring out of the ground.
onli 11y ago
That is not true. First, Germany has a problem with social support even for Germans, Hartz 4 is horribly low and injust. Financial social support is one of the problems currently with the immigrants: It is basically non-existant. No EU region has a lower median salary than this. Second, Immigrants are not guests, they are immigrants or fugitives, and possibly supposed to stay. Third, Germany demands nothing new from other countries. It is EU law that they shall be registered in the countries where they arrive, and it is new and a helping offer to allow those fugitives to continue onwards to Germany. Otherwise they would have to stay in the country they arrived in. Given the tone of your comment, I doubt you would prefer that option.
- leaveyou 11y ago
  You are lying at "Third". Angela Merkel publicly encouraged immigrants to come (and die trying) by promising that Germany will host all the people who arrive in Germany and several days later when the reported numbers of immigrants became alarming, Germany and France announced "a plan" (IMPOSSED behind scenes) to distribute the immigrants to other EU states because "solidarity and bla bla bla". That is extremely unfair to other EU states who can't afford the high and long term costs of Merkel's declarations and looking at the lost lives, insanely irresponsible.
  - moe 11y ago
    Angela Merkel publicly encouraged immigrants to come Bullshit.
    - generic_user 11y ago
      The EU has been encouraging migration for years for there supposed 'demographic crisis'. This is reported on regally in the press if you care to research.
      - moe 11y ago
        The EU has been encouraging migration for years for there supposed 'demographic crisis' Oh, so now it's not Merkel but the EU. This is reported on regally in the press if you care to research. I'm not the one making bullshit claims here. The onus is on you to name your sources.
danbruc 11y ago
If you become unemployed in Germany you get unemployment benefits depending on your previous salary for one year I think. After that you get social benefits based on the existential minimum, roughly 400,- Euro plus your actual rent and you can request additional support for special circumstances like getting a baby. And because this is defined as the existential minimum refugees receive the same. Not sure what you mean with inviting refugees and letting others care for them. Germany surely doesn't ask for more refugees but we will take care of the ones coming here.
- prodmerc 11y ago
  I thought of applying for benefits, but seeing how my fellow countrymen abuse them ("woo, the stupid Germans give me an apartment and pay me while I also work illegally"), decided not to. Maybe I made a mistake, I sure could use more money :-). We should bring more Germans into the government, they can take care of things, lol
- scotty79 11y ago
  So he's right that social support for immigrants (and other jobless people in Germany) is higher than median (even average) salary in some regions of EU? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_...
  - quonn 11y ago
    Clearly almost all countries have far higher averages. Also, the immigrants have to live in Germany, where the cost of living is much higher than the parts of Europe with a low salary.
    - scotty79 11y ago
      Median salary is lower than average. Also 400 euro + rent was mentioned. I believe that given this almost all of "new" EU countries have median salaries below German welfare check.
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by jkot 11y ago

Lovely, Germany invites people, but demands other countries to take care of their guests. Social support for immigrants in Germany is higher then median salary in many EU regions.

weland 11y ago

Outrageous that they'd bring European solidarity into this. /s

h7780 11y ago
Funny how "solidarity" reappears now after a prolonged absence during the banking meltdowns in Ireland and Greece.
leaveyou 11y ago
If Germany wanted to really help those refugees as it pretends then it should have allocated X millions of euros from its budget and should have sent humanitarian aid in Turkey where these immigrants are living currently. Encouraging those immigrants to continue to trample all the borders and countries between Turkey and Germany at great risk of dying on the road and complete chaos, is not a wise thing to do if Germany really cared about "european solidarity".
- Squarel 11y ago
  So you think it is better that Turkey shoulders 1.6m extra inhabitants, while Europe gets all excitable about a few hundred thousand?
  - leaveyou 11y ago
    As a neighbor and active participant to the destabilization of Syria, yes Turkey should shoulder the consequences. Those people have to return to their homes after the war and not wander in a hostile Europe where they can't integrate.
    - weland 11y ago
      Arguably, at least NATO countries should shoulder some of those consequences as well. ISIS didn't just spring out of the ground.

onli 11y ago

That is not true. First, Germany has a problem with social support even for Germans, Hartz 4 is horribly low and injust. Financial social support is one of the problems currently with the immigrants: It is basically non-existant. No EU region has a lower median salary than this. Second, Immigrants are not guests, they are immigrants or fugitives, and possibly supposed to stay. Third, Germany demands nothing new from other countries. It is EU law that they shall be registered in the countries where they arrive, and it is new and a helping offer to allow those fugitives to continue onwards to Germany. Otherwise they would have to stay in the country they arrived in. Given the tone of your comment, I doubt you would prefer that option.

leaveyou 11y ago
You are lying at "Third". Angela Merkel publicly encouraged immigrants to come (and die trying) by promising that Germany will host all the people who arrive in Germany and several days later when the reported numbers of immigrants became alarming, Germany and France announced "a plan" (IMPOSSED behind scenes) to distribute the immigrants to other EU states because "solidarity and bla bla bla". That is extremely unfair to other EU states who can't afford the high and long term costs of Merkel's declarations and looking at the lost lives, insanely irresponsible.
- moe 11y ago
  Angela Merkel publicly encouraged immigrants to come Bullshit.
  - generic_user 11y ago
    The EU has been encouraging migration for years for there supposed 'demographic crisis'. This is reported on regally in the press if you care to research.
    - moe 11y ago
      The EU has been encouraging migration for years for there supposed 'demographic crisis' Oh, so now it's not Merkel but the EU. This is reported on regally in the press if you care to research. I'm not the one making bullshit claims here. The onus is on you to name your sources.

danbruc 11y ago

If you become unemployed in Germany you get unemployment benefits depending on your previous salary for one year I think. After that you get social benefits based on the existential minimum, roughly 400,- Euro plus your actual rent and you can request additional support for special circumstances like getting a baby. And because this is defined as the existential minimum refugees receive the same. Not sure what you mean with inviting refugees and letting others care for them. Germany surely doesn't ask for more refugees but we will take care of the ones coming here.

prodmerc 11y ago
I thought of applying for benefits, but seeing how my fellow countrymen abuse them ("woo, the stupid Germans give me an apartment and pay me while I also work illegally"), decided not to. Maybe I made a mistake, I sure could use more money :-). We should bring more Germans into the government, they can take care of things, lol
scotty79 11y ago
So he's right that social support for immigrants (and other jobless people in Germany) is higher than median (even average) salary in some regions of EU? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_...
- quonn 11y ago
  Clearly almost all countries have far higher averages. Also, the immigrants have to live in Germany, where the cost of living is much higher than the parts of Europe with a low salary.
  - scotty79 11y ago
    Median salary is lower than average. Also 400 euro + rent was mentioned. I believe that given this almost all of "new" EU countries have median salaries below German welfare check.
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