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Majority of the programmers I work with in the valley are Indians and Asians. It's been that way for years. I'd venture a bet that my silicon valley co-worker

by andyl 11y ago

Majority of the programmers I work with in the valley are Indians and Asians. It's been that way for years. I'd venture a bet that my silicon valley co-workers are much more diverse than the NY Times writers who love to preach about diversity. Quick check: - NYT Executive Leadership: 90% white - NYT Board of Directors: 92% white - NYT Opinion Writers: 91% white Media has a diversity problem!!

seiji 11y ago
my silicon valley co-workers are much more diverse Twitter had a neat turn of phrase in their recent diversity document: "these new goals focus on increasing the overall representation of women and underrepresented minorities" underrepresented. You don't count as a minority if there's already too many of you being successful.
- magicalist 11y ago
  > Twitter had a neat turn of phrase in their recent diversity document: "these new goals focus on increasing the overall representation of women and underrepresented minorities" > underrepresented. You don't count as a minority if there's already too many of you being successful. why would you focus on minorities that are overrepresented?
cgy1 11y ago
Asian-Americans simply don't count when it comes to racial diversity. If tech companies are not diverse because the vast majority of workers are white and Asian, isn't the NBA similarly non-diverse because the vast majority of players are black and white? Would there be a similar uproar about the lack of racial diversity in tech if the representation of Asian-Americans and blacks working in tech were reversed? I very much doubt it.
- nolite 11y ago
  I don't think anyone would qualify the NBA as "diverse". Its had a high majority of black players for a while now. You don't see a ton of asians or hispanics however.
spamizbad 11y ago
The media most certainly does have a diversity problem. It's self-inflicted though - aspiring journalists are expected to "grind it out" and "pay their dues" via years of unpaid internships and underpaid Jr/associate work. Complicating matters, orgs prefer hiring candidates from pricey tier-1 private liberal arts colleges. This means the only demographics that can participate are people who come from financially-secure families who provide a measure of patronage for their children starting out in these industries.
doctorpangloss 11y ago
> writers who love to preach God forbid reporters do some reporting. > I'd venture a bet that my silicon valley co-workers are much more diverse You're welcome to publish that research. If you look at the tech workforce at Facebook, where they use extremely generous 1% rounding, the sum of black and hispanic employees is 4%. [0] In one sense, comparing the least generous 8% nonwhite figure with NYT Board of Directors, their board has twice (200%) the proportion of minority members than Facebook has across their tech workforce. Venture that bet. You'll lose the bet. > Media has a diversity problem!! Media may be the only place where an African American like Oprah, Beyonce or Kanye West can run multi-faceted business empires. You're ignoring what a huge cultural, intellectual and business presence African Americans have in a lot of media, certainly far more than their influence in Silicon Valley. [0] http://www.wired.com/2015/06/facebook-diversity-2015/ http://www.wired.com/2015/06/facebook-diversity-2015/
- cgy1 11y ago
  Yeah let's just ignore Asians.
  - generic_user 11y ago
    and Indians, disadvantaged European Americans, etc. Everything with these people is Identity Politics so they can deflect attention form there own Economic status.
generic_user 11y ago
Its not just hypocrisy, the old money north eastern Liberal Elite that get these Urinalit media jobs have always hated the tech industry because it has bootstrapped Middle Class people into positions of power and wealth regardless of there background. Not through hereditary patronage and family connections but hard work and vision. If New York Times Urinalism wants to look for "diversity problems" they should look out the window and in the mirror. NYC has country's most segregated public: http://nypost.com/2014/03/26/nyc-has-countrys-most-segregated-public-schools-report/ http://nypost.com/2014/03/26/nyc-has-countrys-most-segregate...
- generic_user 11y ago
  ^^^ public schools:

by andyl 11y ago

seiji 11y ago

my silicon valley co-workers are much more diverse Twitter had a neat turn of phrase in their recent diversity document: "these new goals focus on increasing the overall representation of women and underrepresented minorities" underrepresented. You don't count as a minority if there's already too many of you being successful.

magicalist 11y ago
> Twitter had a neat turn of phrase in their recent diversity document: "these new goals focus on increasing the overall representation of women and underrepresented minorities" > underrepresented. You don't count as a minority if there's already too many of you being successful. why would you focus on minorities that are overrepresented?

cgy1 11y ago

Asian-Americans simply don't count when it comes to racial diversity. If tech companies are not diverse because the vast majority of workers are white and Asian, isn't the NBA similarly non-diverse because the vast majority of players are black and white? Would there be a similar uproar about the lack of racial diversity in tech if the representation of Asian-Americans and blacks working in tech were reversed? I very much doubt it.

nolite 11y ago
I don't think anyone would qualify the NBA as "diverse". Its had a high majority of black players for a while now. You don't see a ton of asians or hispanics however.

spamizbad 11y ago

The media most certainly does have a diversity problem. It's self-inflicted though - aspiring journalists are expected to "grind it out" and "pay their dues" via years of unpaid internships and underpaid Jr/associate work. Complicating matters, orgs prefer hiring candidates from pricey tier-1 private liberal arts colleges. This means the only demographics that can participate are people who come from financially-secure families who provide a measure of patronage for their children starting out in these industries.

doctorpangloss 11y ago

> writers who love to preach God forbid reporters do some reporting. > I'd venture a bet that my silicon valley co-workers are much more diverse You're welcome to publish that research. If you look at the tech workforce at Facebook, where they use extremely generous 1% rounding, the sum of black and hispanic employees is 4%. [0] In one sense, comparing the least generous 8% nonwhite figure with NYT Board of Directors, their board has twice (200%) the proportion of minority members than Facebook has across their tech workforce. Venture that bet. You'll lose the bet. > Media has a diversity problem!! Media may be the only place where an African American like Oprah, Beyonce or Kanye West can run multi-faceted business empires. You're ignoring what a huge cultural, intellectual and business presence African Americans have in a lot of media, certainly far more than their influence in Silicon Valley. [0] http://www.wired.com/2015/06/facebook-diversity-2015/ http://www.wired.com/2015/06/facebook-diversity-2015/

cgy1 11y ago
Yeah let's just ignore Asians.
- generic_user 11y ago
  and Indians, disadvantaged European Americans, etc. Everything with these people is Identity Politics so they can deflect attention form there own Economic status.

generic_user 11y ago

Its not just hypocrisy, the old money north eastern Liberal Elite that get these Urinalit media jobs have always hated the tech industry because it has bootstrapped Middle Class people into positions of power and wealth regardless of there background. Not through hereditary patronage and family connections but hard work and vision. If New York Times Urinalism wants to look for "diversity problems" they should look out the window and in the mirror. NYC has country's most segregated public: http://nypost.com/2014/03/26/nyc-has-countrys-most-segregated-public-schools-report/ http://nypost.com/2014/03/26/nyc-has-countrys-most-segregate...

generic_user 11y ago
^^^ public schools: