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I REALLY want to explain this away as the complaining from some grumpy park rangers. Then you have these stories and you begin to wonder if there is something

by WDCDev 11y ago

I REALLY want to explain this away as the complaining from some grumpy park rangers. Then you have these stories and you begin to wonder if there is something generational going on. Prom Date spray painted on Black Rocks -http://jonathanturley.org/2015/05/08/destinys-child-police-search-for-teenager-who-defaced-park-cliff-to-snag-a-date-to-the-prom/ http://jonathanturley.org/2015/05/08/destinys-child-police-s... Casey Nocket - http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2014/11/08/ams-woman-paints-faces-defacing-8-national-parks-including-zion-canyonlands/#.VenrqBHBzRY http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2014/11/08/ams-woma...

Crito 11y ago
Punishments need to be adjusted. As it is, people think that this sort of vandalism isn't a big deal. They may not respect our national parks, but maybe heavy fines and stints in prison for serial offenders will get through to them.
GavinMcG 11y ago
Why jump to a generational explanation? It could just as easily be a function of population growth, easier access (e.g. more info available about how to get outdoors), better marketing by the NPS to attract more visitors, etc. More people visited the parks last year than ever before.
- WDCDev 11y ago
  Because in both cases I linked to, the perpetrators were under the age of 25. Sure it's anecdotal ... but you did ask.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    One of the articles you linked to mentions two boy scout leaders (both over the age of 25) who destroyed an ancient natural formation for a Youtube video. They escaped prison and a felony sentence and got a fine. (That's probably a good thing; I'd have preferred it if they'd had to place some signs as a restorative justice gesture).
  - cma 11y ago
    But wouldn't you expect most vandalism in general is done by people around 25 and younger? I would expect most of the mining company executives organizing whole mountaintop removal are well over 25, since most executives are over that age. Goes a little beyond graffiti.
    - Crito 11y ago
      He would, yes. That's the point.
      - cma 11y ago
        To say it is a generational thing doesn't mean it is always the current young generation, it means it is specific generation(s), i.e. generation X, millenials, etc.
    - WDCDev 11y ago
      Corporate exploitation of our natural resources is an entirely different topic. There are some tangential parallels, but overall I find that analogy pretty weak.
  - sp332 11y ago
    Instead of generational, maybe it's just something 20-somethings do?
DanBC 11y ago
Those are good examples of the thoughtlessness. One possible solution is to have clearly delineated public art spaces. Tout Quarry is an example from the UK. http://learningstone.org/?page_id=23933 http://learningstone.org/?page_id=23933 > Tout Quarry Sculpture Park began in 1983 with artists residencies, where well known and emerging artists created both temporary and permanent work in response to the labyrinths and gullies of quarry workings within the 40 acre site – giving back to the Quarry where in the past so much had been taken away for buildings in London and around the world. This first Landscape and Environmental Sculpture project was significant in shaping PSQT’s creative and educational work and helped to save the historical quarry environment from further mineral extraction through a yearly artists residency programme that has brought a new experience and dimension to the quarry, with an unprecedented involvement of the community and visitors within the landscape
cowsandmilk 11y ago
This was painted over 100 years ago. https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinborland/5539302816/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinborland/5539302816/ Growing up near there, abusing the wilderness like this was always viewed as something people used to do, but we've now learned from our mistakes and take care of the wilderness so it sticks around for those after us. Maybe younger people are just becoming further removed from the abuse of the past, so they are forgetting the hard-learned lessons.
- WDCDev 11y ago
  The difference between then and now is that there is much more awareness about what is considered right and wrong with regards to our national parks. Not only that, but folks are much more educated now then they were 100 years ago. You would think that that would translate into fewer of these types issues in our parks.
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by WDCDev 11y ago

Crito 11y ago

Punishments need to be adjusted. As it is, people think that this sort of vandalism isn't a big deal. They may not respect our national parks, but maybe heavy fines and stints in prison for serial offenders will get through to them.

GavinMcG 11y ago

Why jump to a generational explanation? It could just as easily be a function of population growth, easier access (e.g. more info available about how to get outdoors), better marketing by the NPS to attract more visitors, etc. More people visited the parks last year than ever before.

WDCDev 11y ago
Because in both cases I linked to, the perpetrators were under the age of 25. Sure it's anecdotal ... but you did ask.
- DanBC 11y ago
  One of the articles you linked to mentions two boy scout leaders (both over the age of 25) who destroyed an ancient natural formation for a Youtube video. They escaped prison and a felony sentence and got a fine. (That's probably a good thing; I'd have preferred it if they'd had to place some signs as a restorative justice gesture).
- cma 11y ago
  But wouldn't you expect most vandalism in general is done by people around 25 and younger? I would expect most of the mining company executives organizing whole mountaintop removal are well over 25, since most executives are over that age. Goes a little beyond graffiti.
  - Crito 11y ago
    He would, yes. That's the point.
    - cma 11y ago
      To say it is a generational thing doesn't mean it is always the current young generation, it means it is specific generation(s), i.e. generation X, millenials, etc.
  - WDCDev 11y ago
    Corporate exploitation of our natural resources is an entirely different topic. There are some tangential parallels, but overall I find that analogy pretty weak.
- sp332 11y ago
  Instead of generational, maybe it's just something 20-somethings do?

DanBC 11y ago

Those are good examples of the thoughtlessness. One possible solution is to have clearly delineated public art spaces. Tout Quarry is an example from the UK. http://learningstone.org/?page_id=23933 http://learningstone.org/?page_id=23933 > Tout Quarry Sculpture Park began in 1983 with artists residencies, where well known and emerging artists created both temporary and permanent work in response to the labyrinths and gullies of quarry workings within the 40 acre site – giving back to the Quarry where in the past so much had been taken away for buildings in London and around the world. This first Landscape and Environmental Sculpture project was significant in shaping PSQT’s creative and educational work and helped to save the historical quarry environment from further mineral extraction through a yearly artists residency programme that has brought a new experience and dimension to the quarry, with an unprecedented involvement of the community and visitors within the landscape

cowsandmilk 11y ago

This was painted over 100 years ago. https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinborland/5539302816/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinborland/5539302816/ Growing up near there, abusing the wilderness like this was always viewed as something people used to do, but we've now learned from our mistakes and take care of the wilderness so it sticks around for those after us. Maybe younger people are just becoming further removed from the abuse of the past, so they are forgetting the hard-learned lessons.

WDCDev 11y ago
The difference between then and now is that there is much more awareness about what is considered right and wrong with regards to our national parks. Not only that, but folks are much more educated now then they were 100 years ago. You would think that that would translate into fewer of these types issues in our parks.

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