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I am a complete newbie so my perspective is inherently flawed but I am wary of installing anything on a Debian machine that I can't just get using aptitude (sud

I am a complete newbie so my perspective is inherently flawed but I am wary of installing anything on a Debian machine that I can't just get using aptitude (sudo apt-get install foo). Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it possible to create a Debian repository server at Jet Brains that I can add to my aptitude sources list and then install Intelli J and stuff from the conventional command line interface? Why does Jet Brains insist on doing things the Net beans way with opening a web browser and downloading a binary every time?

vetinari 11y ago
It opens web browser in Debian? On Fedora, it just downloads a patch, applies it and restarts. The pet peeve of mine is, that it downloads a patch, restart, then it finds out it has updates for plugins too, downloads them and restarts again. It would be much nicer if Jetbrains had a yum repository for both IDE and plugins and would download delta rpms. Just like Google Chrome does.
- newjersey 11y ago
  > It would be much nicer if Jetbrains had a yum repository for both IDE and plugins and would download delta rpms. Just like Google Chrome does. Yes, it'd be nice if we had repositories for yum and apt-get. Also, I understand that most of the time it just downloads a patch, and restarts but the first install is still a problem. It shouldn't be that way.
bgibson 11y ago
Fwiw it's worth learning how to use the excellent Debian Alternatives [1] system to install stuff not in the repo's. Download the precompiled binary, or download the source and compile it, put in $HOME, /opt, or wherever you want, then use update-alternatives to soft link it into the standard system directories (/usr, /usr/bin, /usr/local, etc). You can manage and toggle between multiple versions of the same software that way, including the repo version, and lots more benefits, see github readme below. Intro: https://www.debian-administration.org/article/91/Using_the_Debian_alternatives_system https://www.debian-administration.org/article/91/Using_the_D... Example setup scripts: https://github.com/byrongibson/scripts/tree/master/install/haskell https://github.com/byrongibson/scripts/tree/master/install/h... [1]:https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives
joshribakoff 11y ago
Not just that, but they've closed numerous bugs as "wont fix" & blamed them on the linux ecosystem. On Ubuntu, I've gone through some very annoying bugs like the IDE randomly freezing every 10-15m and needing to be restarted, even after removing openJDK & installing the official Java, and all the other annoying things they suggested. I dislike them as a company because they claimed to support Linux, took my money, and then blamed my choice of OS when things broke. If they don't want to support linux, fine, but they shouldn't say that they do on the sales page, then act to the contrary.
- lfowles 11y ago
  Funny, because neither Pycharm or CLion have randomly frozen for me in Linux. Sounds like they support Linux in my case!
  - smcl 11y ago
    There's a big difference between "it works for most people on linux" and "we support our product on linux"
nadams 11y ago
> I am wary of installing anything on a Debian machine that I can't just get using aptitude (sudo apt-get install foo). I don't think that is really an issue (anymore?) - I've installed deb packages manually and compiled stuff from scratch. The only problem you could run into is if package A from the Debain repos requires Version X.1 - but you installed some random deb which installed Version X.2 - you might get into dependency issues. I've found backports to fill this gap. In fact the Jetbrains stuff is self contained so you need to bring your own JRE and run it from the folder that you extracted it to.

vetinari 11y ago

It opens web browser in Debian? On Fedora, it just downloads a patch, applies it and restarts. The pet peeve of mine is, that it downloads a patch, restart, then it finds out it has updates for plugins too, downloads them and restarts again. It would be much nicer if Jetbrains had a yum repository for both IDE and plugins and would download delta rpms. Just like Google Chrome does.

newjersey 11y ago
> It would be much nicer if Jetbrains had a yum repository for both IDE and plugins and would download delta rpms. Just like Google Chrome does. Yes, it'd be nice if we had repositories for yum and apt-get. Also, I understand that most of the time it just downloads a patch, and restarts but the first install is still a problem. It shouldn't be that way.

bgibson 11y ago

Fwiw it's worth learning how to use the excellent Debian Alternatives [1] system to install stuff not in the repo's. Download the precompiled binary, or download the source and compile it, put in $HOME, /opt, or wherever you want, then use update-alternatives to soft link it into the standard system directories (/usr, /usr/bin, /usr/local, etc). You can manage and toggle between multiple versions of the same software that way, including the repo version, and lots more benefits, see github readme below. Intro: https://www.debian-administration.org/article/91/Using_the_Debian_alternatives_system https://www.debian-administration.org/article/91/Using_the_D... Example setup scripts: https://github.com/byrongibson/scripts/tree/master/install/haskell https://github.com/byrongibson/scripts/tree/master/install/h... [1]:https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives

joshribakoff 11y ago

Not just that, but they've closed numerous bugs as "wont fix" & blamed them on the linux ecosystem. On Ubuntu, I've gone through some very annoying bugs like the IDE randomly freezing every 10-15m and needing to be restarted, even after removing openJDK & installing the official Java, and all the other annoying things they suggested. I dislike them as a company because they claimed to support Linux, took my money, and then blamed my choice of OS when things broke. If they don't want to support linux, fine, but they shouldn't say that they do on the sales page, then act to the contrary.

lfowles 11y ago
Funny, because neither Pycharm or CLion have randomly frozen for me in Linux. Sounds like they support Linux in my case!
- smcl 11y ago
  There's a big difference between "it works for most people on linux" and "we support our product on linux"

nadams 11y ago

> I am wary of installing anything on a Debian machine that I can't just get using aptitude (sudo apt-get install foo). I don't think that is really an issue (anymore?) - I've installed deb packages manually and compiled stuff from scratch. The only problem you could run into is if package A from the Debain repos requires Version X.1 - but you installed some random deb which installed Version X.2 - you might get into dependency issues. I've found backports to fill this gap. In fact the Jetbrains stuff is self contained so you need to bring your own JRE and run it from the folder that you extracted it to.