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I don't have those money and I don't have a degree. However my mom was born in Canada although she doesn't have the citizenship, maybe that could help.

gaius 17y ago
A bachelor's degree will make things a bit easier, and a PhD a lot easier. But remember, you can move anywhere you want in the EU like, tomorrow, with no fuss whatsoever. Is the grass really greener on the other side of the Atlantic?
- fauigerzigerk 17y ago
  Assuming he speaks itialian and english the EU comprises the UK and Ireland for him. About the only two places in the world that are greater desaster zones than the US at the moment (well, apart from Spain and Greece maybe).
  - gaius 17y ago
    With only a little of the local language you can get by pretty well in Amsterdam, Paris, Frankfurt... Any city with a significant commercial/financial community. It is actually even more difficult to learn Dutch in Amsterdam because as soon as you open your mouth, they reply in English. Outside of the major cities yes you might find it difficult, but not insurmountably so. There are Italian-speakers in Switzerland too.
    - fauigerzigerk 17y ago
      Yes the Netherlands is probably an option. But settling in Paris without being a native french speaker is notoriously difficult. That's what people tell me anyway, I never tried.
      - gaius 17y ago
        Speaking from my own experience, and that of several friends, you need very little French to show up in Paris and just get on with it. Numbers, how to read street signs, what the different kinds of shops are, that sort of thing. The only thing you need good French for is if you need to deal with the local bureaucracy (unless you are or are with a pregnant woman, that is the root password to the French public sector). If you have lived in London or New York, you could get a long way in day-to-day life in Paris on intuition alone. It's a lot easier obv. if you already have a job there (I did, at a French company with a significant UK presence), but that's true of anywhere. It would be a lot harder to show up in a small town without good French, and some places will be practically impossible unless you are French, but that's a political thing.
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  - gommm 17y ago
    As an Italian, he can very easily learn French, so Belgium, France and Switzerland (both the italian and french part) are also open to him.
    - fauigerzigerk 17y ago
      Switzerland is not part of the EU and french isn't that easy to learn for italian speakers I believe.
      - gommm 17y ago
        They are not part of the EU but there are a number of agreements between the EU and Switzerland and in particular EU citizens don't need a visa to stay there for more than 3 months. And French and Italian (and Spanish and Portuguese for that matter) are really similar languages, most of my Italian friends could speak French quite well after only 3 months (meaning they were able to deal with everyday life and read good size books with no difficulty).
        fauigerzigerk 17y ago
        To work in an IT capacity in europe you need a very good grasp of the local language unless it's explicitly an english speaking role. Native english speakers are treated very differently than everyone else, particularly in large international organisations. I've been moving around in Europe a lot and I've been reading the job boards for years. You're either english speaking or you know the native language extremely well. Otherwise your odds of landing an IT job outside of the UK are next to zero. Has any of your itialian friends actually worked in France in an IT or other qualified role?
        gommm 17y ago
        Well they were computer science students who went to my university for 6 months during their master degree... Now as to the working environment in Europe, well since I moved to Japan straight after graduating, I haven't really worked in Europe (save for an internship in Germany where the work went well enough although my german is far from perfect). So, I can't say exactly how it is... As for racism, it exists, but actually my friends from Martinique (who are french citizens) had a much harder time with it because they are black than friends from Asia or Europe.
gruseom 17y ago
If she was born in Canada then I'm pretty sure she is technically a citizen and you could go through a bureaucratic process to document it.

gaius 17y ago

A bachelor's degree will make things a bit easier, and a PhD a lot easier. But remember, you can move anywhere you want in the EU like, tomorrow, with no fuss whatsoever. Is the grass really greener on the other side of the Atlantic?

fauigerzigerk 17y ago
Assuming he speaks itialian and english the EU comprises the UK and Ireland for him. About the only two places in the world that are greater desaster zones than the US at the moment (well, apart from Spain and Greece maybe).
- gaius 17y ago
  With only a little of the local language you can get by pretty well in Amsterdam, Paris, Frankfurt... Any city with a significant commercial/financial community. It is actually even more difficult to learn Dutch in Amsterdam because as soon as you open your mouth, they reply in English. Outside of the major cities yes you might find it difficult, but not insurmountably so. There are Italian-speakers in Switzerland too.
  - fauigerzigerk 17y ago
    Yes the Netherlands is probably an option. But settling in Paris without being a native french speaker is notoriously difficult. That's what people tell me anyway, I never tried.
    - gaius 17y ago
      Speaking from my own experience, and that of several friends, you need very little French to show up in Paris and just get on with it. Numbers, how to read street signs, what the different kinds of shops are, that sort of thing. The only thing you need good French for is if you need to deal with the local bureaucracy (unless you are or are with a pregnant woman, that is the root password to the French public sector). If you have lived in London or New York, you could get a long way in day-to-day life in Paris on intuition alone. It's a lot easier obv. if you already have a job there (I did, at a French company with a significant UK presence), but that's true of anywhere. It would be a lot harder to show up in a small town without good French, and some places will be practically impossible unless you are French, but that's a political thing.
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- gommm 17y ago
  As an Italian, he can very easily learn French, so Belgium, France and Switzerland (both the italian and french part) are also open to him.
  - fauigerzigerk 17y ago
    Switzerland is not part of the EU and french isn't that easy to learn for italian speakers I believe.
    - gommm 17y ago
      They are not part of the EU but there are a number of agreements between the EU and Switzerland and in particular EU citizens don't need a visa to stay there for more than 3 months. And French and Italian (and Spanish and Portuguese for that matter) are really similar languages, most of my Italian friends could speak French quite well after only 3 months (meaning they were able to deal with everyday life and read good size books with no difficulty).
      - fauigerzigerk 17y ago
        To work in an IT capacity in europe you need a very good grasp of the local language unless it's explicitly an english speaking role. Native english speakers are treated very differently than everyone else, particularly in large international organisations. I've been moving around in Europe a lot and I've been reading the job boards for years. You're either english speaking or you know the native language extremely well. Otherwise your odds of landing an IT job outside of the UK are next to zero. Has any of your itialian friends actually worked in France in an IT or other qualified role?
        gommm 17y ago
        Well they were computer science students who went to my university for 6 months during their master degree... Now as to the working environment in Europe, well since I moved to Japan straight after graduating, I haven't really worked in Europe (save for an internship in Germany where the work went well enough although my german is far from perfect). So, I can't say exactly how it is... As for racism, it exists, but actually my friends from Martinique (who are french citizens) had a much harder time with it because they are black than friends from Asia or Europe.

gruseom 17y ago

If she was born in Canada then I'm pretty sure she is technically a citizen and you could go through a bureaucratic process to document it.