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OK, full disclosure : I'm not American, I don't know Sanders much, and I didn't read the article. But seriously, how many times can people be deceived by a pr

OK, full disclosure : I'm not American, I don't know Sanders much, and I didn't read the article. But seriously, how many times can people be deceived by a promising politician that builds hope and then continue the same politic than his predecessors ? Even if this one is sincere, do you really think one man is going to resist the combined pressures of all the interest groups that are in place ?

evgen 11y ago
Sander's sincerity does not matter much, nor does his ability to resist pressure matter in the slightest. He has no chance of being elected so support for him is the white liberal version of supporting Rand Paul (or his father in previous cycles.) [Let's get real here, to win the Democratic nomination the man would have to actually, you know, declare himself to be a Democrat...] That he has support in the tech community is not surprising, I see a lot of #feelthebern support in my Facebook feed from white liberal techies in my circle of friends and I will chuckle with amusement and move on to things that actually matter. If I did not know any better I would have guessed that Bernie and the Trump were plants from the Clinton campaign to frame the extremes of the debate. As to the whole "build hope and then continue the same" bullshit line you are trying to slide in there, if you think that our presidents have been the same or even vaguely similar then you have obviously not been paying attention and you probably have that child-like imagined view of what a US president does and what they can actually accomplish that we seem to propagate in our media narratives. Don't worry, lots of Americans fall for the story as well. They end up with similar levels of vague disappointment because reality never quite lines up with the stories they have been told.
dagw 11y ago
Sanders is not going to be president, that is not what this is about. Sanders' goal is to keep the debate focused on issues he and his followers cares about and forcing candidates to take stands on issues they would rather ignore, all in the hope of making small incremental changes. Look at the Tea Party on the right. By loudly forcing the debate to focus on their issues they managed to wield influence far beyond the size of their initial voting base, making more moderate candidates take stands on these issues and move the whole party towards the tea party line.
bootload 11y ago
"I'm not American, I don't know Sanders much, and I didn't read the article." yet you have an opinion. read the article to be taken seriously.
digitalzombie 11y ago
> Even if this one is sincere, do you really think one man is going to resist the combined pressures of all the interest groups that are in place ? In the real world you have to compromise, while he may perhaps resist interest groups his constituents may not and he will have to compromise with them and by proxy may be influenced. But I believe he's the best so far, out of all of them, in term of his views and mines. I don't expect any president to be perfect they're only human. And I don't expect his views to be exactly like mine, if I wanted that then I would be running really. But I believe he's an honest man like Jimmy Carter. I hope he win but if not at least he's pushing Democrats toward the left more so and stopping the march toward center.
- fhadley 11y ago
  I'd much rather Slick Willy's mid 90s economy and his less than consistent commitment to the truth than Carter's honesty & stagflation.

evgen 11y ago

Sander's sincerity does not matter much, nor does his ability to resist pressure matter in the slightest. He has no chance of being elected so support for him is the white liberal version of supporting Rand Paul (or his father in previous cycles.) [Let's get real here, to win the Democratic nomination the man would have to actually, you know, declare himself to be a Democrat...] That he has support in the tech community is not surprising, I see a lot of #feelthebern support in my Facebook feed from white liberal techies in my circle of friends and I will chuckle with amusement and move on to things that actually matter. If I did not know any better I would have guessed that Bernie and the Trump were plants from the Clinton campaign to frame the extremes of the debate. As to the whole "build hope and then continue the same" bullshit line you are trying to slide in there, if you think that our presidents have been the same or even vaguely similar then you have obviously not been paying attention and you probably have that child-like imagined view of what a US president does and what they can actually accomplish that we seem to propagate in our media narratives. Don't worry, lots of Americans fall for the story as well. They end up with similar levels of vague disappointment because reality never quite lines up with the stories they have been told.

dagw 11y ago

Sanders is not going to be president, that is not what this is about. Sanders' goal is to keep the debate focused on issues he and his followers cares about and forcing candidates to take stands on issues they would rather ignore, all in the hope of making small incremental changes. Look at the Tea Party on the right. By loudly forcing the debate to focus on their issues they managed to wield influence far beyond the size of their initial voting base, making more moderate candidates take stands on these issues and move the whole party towards the tea party line.

bootload 11y ago

"I'm not American, I don't know Sanders much, and I didn't read the article." yet you have an opinion. read the article to be taken seriously.

digitalzombie 11y ago

> Even if this one is sincere, do you really think one man is going to resist the combined pressures of all the interest groups that are in place ? In the real world you have to compromise, while he may perhaps resist interest groups his constituents may not and he will have to compromise with them and by proxy may be influenced. But I believe he's the best so far, out of all of them, in term of his views and mines. I don't expect any president to be perfect they're only human. And I don't expect his views to be exactly like mine, if I wanted that then I would be running really. But I believe he's an honest man like Jimmy Carter. I hope he win but if not at least he's pushing Democrats toward the left more so and stopping the march toward center.

fhadley 11y ago
I'd much rather Slick Willy's mid 90s economy and his less than consistent commitment to the truth than Carter's honesty & stagflation.