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Let's discuss. Why do you think this is bad?

kevinherron 11y ago
I don't like the idea that my IDE is a tool that will stop working if I stop paying the ransom for it. This model may be the future, but it's a very icky feeling that I can't purchase to own software that runs entirely on my desktop, since that's been the model for YEARS. Paying annually for support and to receive upgrades feels very reasonable. My IDE ceasing to function because I've stopped paying annually does not.
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sirn 11y ago
Not the OP, but I'm also not really a fan of subscription model of any software products even though I'm OK with paying for upgrades every year. With subscription model I no longer own the software the moment I stopped paying, even if I already paid monthly fee to equivalent of perpetual license pricing. But on the other hand, considering I'm already paying $158 for two of their products every year (IDEA and AppCode), being able to pay $149 (discounted rate) and also get a separate app for RubyMine and PyCharm seems like a very nice offer. (Since Ruby/Python plugins in IDEA always lacked few versions behind.) Nevertheless, I'm sad that to see another one of my most-used software goes away from perpetual license to subscription model.
mobiuscog 11y ago
It's no longer a product - it's a service. Good examples of the way to do this, include Cakewalk and Allegorithmic which both implement a form of pay-to-own. After enough payments, you own a product that you can keep using if you no longer need 'enhancements'. Whilst software-as-a-service is great for many people, it's not a panacea and certainly not a replacement for people who just want a product that they buy once and can use when they like without further outlay.
anu_gupta 11y ago
Because right now, we can pay a one time fee and use the software as long as we want, without incurring any more cost in return for not getting updates or imposing a cost on JetBrains. However, from November, that will no longer be possible. If Jetbrains decides, in 2016, to increase the license fee to $300 per year, or $500, then we will have 2 options: Pay it and continue to have access, or don't pay, and lose all access to the tools, despite the fact that we have already given you money. If I have a cashflow problem, I can no longer decide to stay with last year's version for a while, instead I lose access. I'm sure you know this, I'm sure everyone at JetBrains knows this.
- s73v3r 11y ago
  The license seems to say that if you stop paying, you can still use the most recent version as of when your subscription expired. So technically you could subscribe for one month, get the software, and keep using it until you saw a version that was compelling enough to upgrade to.
  - anu_gupta 11y ago
    That's not how I'm reading it, and I'd be amazed if that was the case, because then, you literally could pay £6 and get PHPStorm to use forever.
    - s73v3r 11y ago
      That's according to a post earlier in the thread from the guy I presume is from JetBrains. It's also similar to the license Epic had for Unreal Engine, before they got rid of the monthly fee.
      - anu_gupta 11y ago
        You seem to be conflating the perpetual licence, which is what we have currently and will stop being available in November with the new subscription. If I do not move to the subscription model, I can continue to use my current version of PHPStorm, in perpetuity. However, I cannot subscribe under the new terms, and keep using the software if I decide to stop subscribing. Earlier in this thread you suggested that we could subscribe for a month and keep using the software afterwards. This is incorrect. Once you stop subscribing, you lose the rights to use the software
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Aldo_MX 11y ago
Peace of mind is a really important feature you are discarding with this model. Not every compelling feature is implemented with code.

I don't like the idea that my IDE is a tool that will stop working if I stop paying the ransom for it. This model may be the future, but it's a very icky feeling that I can't purchase to own software that runs entirely on my desktop, since that's been the model for YEARS. Paying annually for support and to receive upgrades feels very reasonable. My IDE ceasing to function because I've stopped paying annually does not.

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sirn 11y ago

Not the OP, but I'm also not really a fan of subscription model of any software products even though I'm OK with paying for upgrades every year. With subscription model I no longer own the software the moment I stopped paying, even if I already paid monthly fee to equivalent of perpetual license pricing. But on the other hand, considering I'm already paying $158 for two of their products every year (IDEA and AppCode), being able to pay $149 (discounted rate) and also get a separate app for RubyMine and PyCharm seems like a very nice offer. (Since Ruby/Python plugins in IDEA always lacked few versions behind.) Nevertheless, I'm sad that to see another one of my most-used software goes away from perpetual license to subscription model.

mobiuscog 11y ago

It's no longer a product - it's a service. Good examples of the way to do this, include Cakewalk and Allegorithmic which both implement a form of pay-to-own. After enough payments, you own a product that you can keep using if you no longer need 'enhancements'. Whilst software-as-a-service is great for many people, it's not a panacea and certainly not a replacement for people who just want a product that they buy once and can use when they like without further outlay.

anu_gupta 11y ago

Because right now, we can pay a one time fee and use the software as long as we want, without incurring any more cost in return for not getting updates or imposing a cost on JetBrains. However, from November, that will no longer be possible. If Jetbrains decides, in 2016, to increase the license fee to $300 per year, or $500, then we will have 2 options: Pay it and continue to have access, or don't pay, and lose all access to the tools, despite the fact that we have already given you money. If I have a cashflow problem, I can no longer decide to stay with last year's version for a while, instead I lose access. I'm sure you know this, I'm sure everyone at JetBrains knows this.

s73v3r 11y ago
The license seems to say that if you stop paying, you can still use the most recent version as of when your subscription expired. So technically you could subscribe for one month, get the software, and keep using it until you saw a version that was compelling enough to upgrade to.
- anu_gupta 11y ago
  That's not how I'm reading it, and I'd be amazed if that was the case, because then, you literally could pay £6 and get PHPStorm to use forever.
  - s73v3r 11y ago
    That's according to a post earlier in the thread from the guy I presume is from JetBrains. It's also similar to the license Epic had for Unreal Engine, before they got rid of the monthly fee.
    - anu_gupta 11y ago
      You seem to be conflating the perpetual licence, which is what we have currently and will stop being available in November with the new subscription. If I do not move to the subscription model, I can continue to use my current version of PHPStorm, in perpetuity. However, I cannot subscribe under the new terms, and keep using the software if I decide to stop subscribing. Earlier in this thread you suggested that we could subscribe for a month and keep using the software afterwards. This is incorrect. Once you stop subscribing, you lose the rights to use the software

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Aldo_MX 11y ago

Peace of mind is a really important feature you are discarding with this model. Not every compelling feature is implemented with code.