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Not addressed to you, rather to a sibling commenter. Hellbanned users cannot be directly replied to. ngoldbaum, you should check a user's comment history befor
by vinceguidry 11y ago
Not addressed to you, rather to a sibling commenter. Hellbanned users cannot be directly replied to.
ngoldbaum, you should check a user's comment history before alerting them to the fact that they're hellbanned. If there's a clear reason then don't. In this case, he was hellbanned because he called someone an idiot on his very first post.
- ngoldbaum 11y agoReally? Even if they continue to comment productively afterwards? I think it's sad to see a hellbanned person contribute productively, since obviously they have no idea they've been banned.
- vinceguidry 11y agoSuch users, if they care to understand the community they want to be a part of, will eventually absorb enough knowledge to understand what a hell ban is, why they exist, what prompts a hell ban, and someone like yourself will alert them to it. Then they can request an unban or just make a new account. It was a lack of recognition of those norms that prompts the ban, it's only right that they have to work harder to arrive at that recognition before they can regain visibility. We don't want it to be too easy to become aware that you're hellbanned, that would defeat the whole point.
- Sir_Cmpwn 11y agoWell, check for sure but it comes down to opinion at that point. Hellbanning is a pretty extreme choice for someone who made a fairly small mistake like that.
- vinceguidry 11y agoI would agree that it comes down to opinion, but I disagree that it is extreme. If the very first post you make exhibits a disregard for community norms, then chances are you're not interested in building harmony. More to the point, it is indicative of someone who has made a new account specifically to be insulting, perhaps trying to evade a hellban on a different account.
- krapp 11y agoThere are numerous examples of users engaging in far less civil behavior than a minor and easily ignored insult, from accounts old enough to know better, only to receive, at best, multiple warnings before being banned (if they even get banned at all.) The rationale behind hellbanning is extreme because it is arbitrary. Transgressions like @shitsandwich's are what downvoting is meant for, not banning altogether.
- tripzilch 11y agoThat's not even by far a "clear reason" for a hell ban.
- vinceguidry 11y agoDon't let the naming get in the way, it's a more humane approach to enforcing community norms than the obvious alternative, an outright ban. The subterfuge might be a little disconcerting, but it's not like hellbanned user's posts disappear into the ether, they're visible to those with showdead on.