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I agree that if users don't want something than it will have to die. I'm just not sure what we replace it with because I think economic drive behind the interne

I agree that if users don't want something than it will have to die. I'm just not sure what we replace it with because I think economic drive behind the internet has been the major factor in the growth we've seen. Basically, if people weren't making money the internet wouldn't be anywhere near what we have today. I'm pretty sure we had a completely ad free internet at one point and it kind of sucked compared to the things we have today. Full disclaimer: I made a decent amount of money from advertising in the past. That doesn't mean I don't sympathize with users/consumers. The ad industry pushed too far and users are pushing back. Also I'd probably prefer ads on wikipedia versus the yearly begging but that's another topic.

InclinedPlane 11y ago
This is the post hoc fallacy though isn't it? It also neglects the many ways that advertising on the internet caused a LOT of serious problems, especially in the early days around the first dot-com bust. For some reason you seem to fall into the trap of thinking that ads vs "begging" are the only options, though that's not going to be true, isn't true now, and hasn't been true for literally decades. There are tons of ways to make money with a non-paywalled content site on the internet, as witnessed by... the many ways that people have been making money on such things for going on two decades.
- johnward 11y ago
  > This is the post hoc fallacy though isn't it? Probably. Though I'm pretty sure the ability to make money (not necessarily form ads) was a driver.
johnward 11y ago
I was just using those models (ad vs beg) as examples. I've noted elsewhere that their are sites support content by selling products or services. I also agree with your original that we may not have found the replacement business model quite yet but it seems like we're trending away from advertising.

InclinedPlane 11y ago

This is the post hoc fallacy though isn't it? It also neglects the many ways that advertising on the internet caused a LOT of serious problems, especially in the early days around the first dot-com bust. For some reason you seem to fall into the trap of thinking that ads vs "begging" are the only options, though that's not going to be true, isn't true now, and hasn't been true for literally decades. There are tons of ways to make money with a non-paywalled content site on the internet, as witnessed by... the many ways that people have been making money on such things for going on two decades.

johnward 11y ago
> This is the post hoc fallacy though isn't it? Probably. Though I'm pretty sure the ability to make money (not necessarily form ads) was a driver.

johnward 11y ago

I was just using those models (ad vs beg) as examples. I've noted elsewhere that their are sites support content by selling products or services. I also agree with your original that we may not have found the replacement business model quite yet but it seems like we're trending away from advertising.