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You're conveniently ignoring the other's side of the argument: such as importing poverty, low wage or unskilled workers, crime, racism, xenophobia, radical ideo

You're conveniently ignoring the other's side of the argument: such as importing poverty, low wage or unskilled workers, crime, racism, xenophobia, radical ideologies and religions, incompatible views and behavior, things such as "no-go" zones, and all the other things that European countries and seeing with non-European immigration, is not a net benefit to society. The rise of the native push-back against immigration is an effect of, and not a cause of the trouble. Combined with a grim economic situation and dwindling economic opportunities (such as gainful employment) is also not helping much with integration matters. Hence why people "stuck in your own isolationist filter bubble" are against it.

arrrg 11y ago
So refugees are to blame for xenophobia, racism and violent attacks on themselves? Stop hitting yourself, eh? That’s absurd, completely and utterly. Basic human rights and human dignity should be on all our minds. Compared to that the problems you name are trivial matters. Oh my god, the obscenely rich Europeans might lose a tiny bit of their living standard, how horrific! That’s arrogance on the ivory tower. (It’s so absurd to me that giving up a bit of your living standard in exchange for preserving more human dignity overall is always treated as self-evidently unacceptable. I’m not sure why that is. Yes, sometimes to insure that human rights are upheld and human dignity is persevered it is necessary to sacrifice. So what. Trivial matters to the super-rich like ourselves.) All of this obviously doesn’t mean that pain, suffering and poverty don’t exist in Europe and those problems don’t get less important, sure, but comparatively speaking, I mean, come on … this attitude is just absurd.
- powertower 11y ago
  > So refugees are to blame for xenophobia, racism and violent attacks on themselves? Stop hitting yourself, eh? That’s absurd, completely and utterly. You are arguing with yourself as you are the one making that statement. > Basic human rights and human dignity should be on all our minds. Compared to that the problems you name are trivial matters. None of the things I listed, that are being brought in by immigration, are trivial matters. Those are things that break societies, not sustain them. What we are seeing today with immigration are highly incompatible groups forming parallel societies within (and in many cases very intentionally), that are actively hostile to the host in many ways.
  - arrrg 11y ago
    I don’t think there is any truth at all to what you are saying.
    - alphaddx 11y ago
      > I don’t think there is any truth at all to what you are saying. So basically "You're wrong". Excellent way to refute their argument. I don't think you know much about the subject matter at all and just spouting a bunch of idealistic nonsense. So ghettos and no-go Islamic areas don't exist according to you, everyone is being wonderfully integrated throughout Europe, get real.

arrrg 11y ago

So refugees are to blame for xenophobia, racism and violent attacks on themselves? Stop hitting yourself, eh? That’s absurd, completely and utterly. Basic human rights and human dignity should be on all our minds. Compared to that the problems you name are trivial matters. Oh my god, the obscenely rich Europeans might lose a tiny bit of their living standard, how horrific! That’s arrogance on the ivory tower. (It’s so absurd to me that giving up a bit of your living standard in exchange for preserving more human dignity overall is always treated as self-evidently unacceptable. I’m not sure why that is. Yes, sometimes to insure that human rights are upheld and human dignity is persevered it is necessary to sacrifice. So what. Trivial matters to the super-rich like ourselves.) All of this obviously doesn’t mean that pain, suffering and poverty don’t exist in Europe and those problems don’t get less important, sure, but comparatively speaking, I mean, come on … this attitude is just absurd.

powertower 11y ago
> So refugees are to blame for xenophobia, racism and violent attacks on themselves? Stop hitting yourself, eh? That’s absurd, completely and utterly. You are arguing with yourself as you are the one making that statement. > Basic human rights and human dignity should be on all our minds. Compared to that the problems you name are trivial matters. None of the things I listed, that are being brought in by immigration, are trivial matters. Those are things that break societies, not sustain them. What we are seeing today with immigration are highly incompatible groups forming parallel societies within (and in many cases very intentionally), that are actively hostile to the host in many ways.
- arrrg 11y ago
  I don’t think there is any truth at all to what you are saying.
  - alphaddx 11y ago
    > I don’t think there is any truth at all to what you are saying. So basically "You're wrong". Excellent way to refute their argument. I don't think you know much about the subject matter at all and just spouting a bunch of idealistic nonsense. So ghettos and no-go Islamic areas don't exist according to you, everyone is being wonderfully integrated throughout Europe, get real.