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80% of these refugees should be accepted by the US, after all, if you give weaponry to various "free" syrian armies to cause havoc in the region, you should tak

80% of these refugees should be accepted by the US, after all, if you give weaponry to various "free" syrian armies to cause havoc in the region, you should take responsibility to take care of the humanitarian disaster that results. The other 20% - UK, France and Germany, whoever dumped weapons on that region. Unpopular as it is - the middle east was doing much better under strong dictators. They had civilization going for thousands of years, and an attempt to change the regional order from the outside was a fatal mistake. Do the right thing and accept them, also don't forget build a couple of mosques near your house. At least in theory.

michaelbuddy 11y ago
Interesting idea. But the "U.S." isn't giving these countries weapons. Various people from the U.S. may be doing that, I know that U.S. citizens (those of which any refugees would suddenly be living next to) didn't vote to give weapons to Syrian armies. But if you have proof of it (and I'm not saying you don't) you've then got to find out how the deal was made. Also you want to blame the gun sellers and not the gun shooters. I get what you're trying to do. In your mind, before Europe and the U.S. (before white people) the middle east was paradise blah blah. And Western countries are intent to simply destabilize everything right, to some end. What I don't understand is the millions of refugees are somehow not able to form their own country. What army in the world now has as many as these of age male refugees? If we are to welcome these refugees, we'd be assuming that they can melt into the shared values of the culture, follow the rules, etc. And if we assume that, then we can assume they can cooperate amongst themselves. So why are they not doing so and forming a peaceful country? Hmm, well maybe we have been BUT it hasn't worked out well.
- turar 11y ago
  It's not even about the weapons. The root cause of this situation is the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
  - jacobush 11y ago
    Yes. The invasion, if it had to be done, which could have been handled a lot better than it was. Which is to say, it was not handled at all. "We won. Now what."
- theworstshill 11y ago
  You're certainly joking, or trolling too hard. This is YC and not tumblr after all where the answer to any and all problems is "white males". However, the situation in the middle east was quantitatively and qualitatively better when it had Saddam, Qaddafi et all. The region had ethnic and religious tensions for most of its existance, the difference is - before the war in Iraq, Afganistan, Lybia and now Syria, there was a defined pecking order. The biggest asshole had already went through all of the atrocities he had to to become what he is. After US came in, and sprinkled dollars and guns to every antigovernment faction - we now have 20 assholes in every country that vie for the title of the biggest asshole, and they're ready to do whatever it takes. All I'm saying is - take some responsibility for that. Germany and Europe as a whole isn't responsible for upsetting the order that lead to this humanitarian problem. US military adventures did.
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  - SinomaSo 11y ago
    The biggest mistake the US did is dismantling the Iraqi military. All top generals and army officers become jobless over night. Now guess who runs the ISIS intelligence and military operations? yes, the former Bath Iraqi Intelligence and army officers.
  - jacobush 11y ago
    The US civilian administration of Iraq, fired 800 000 army employees. Like that wasn't going to create a problem. The US blew such a big chance to keep Iraq going and gradually stabilize it over time.
logingone 11y ago
Syria has a population of ~22 million - how do you see that playing out?
jahewson 11y ago
Let's at least mention the real culprits: Russia and Iran.
- powertower 11y ago
  Culprits of what? Russia and Iran are not trying to destabilize and take over the country - by forming, arming, and financing terrorist groups from within and from outside. They did not bring this conflict to Syria, nor the resulting destruction.
  - davidw 11y ago
    One of the reasons I hate these kinds of discussions is that they are so boring and simplistic. The notion that "it's all the US' fault!" seems to always rear its head. I'm not a fan of a lot of US foreign policy, but people like Assad and Putin are 'not very nice people' to put it mildly, and have done more than their fair share to cause problems in Syria. Russia has a direct interest in Syria, BTW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tart...
    - powertower 11y ago
      If you are curious about what the other side sees this as, this is a decent write-up - http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrians-support-bashar-al-assad/5405208 http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrians-support-bashar-al-a...
      - davidw 11y ago
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11840713/Russian-troops-fighting-alongside-Assads-army-against-Syrian-rebels.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/1... reports of actual Russian troops fighting in Syria...
      - hrez 11y ago
        Let me just quote http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca "While many of Globalresearch's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian or environmental concerns, the site has a strong undercurrent of reality warping throughout its pages, especially in relation to taking its news from sources such as Russia Today RT[2] and Press TV.[3] Its view of science, the economy and geopolitics seems to be broadly conspiracist. Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites Globalresearch, they are almost certainly wrong."

michaelbuddy 11y ago

Interesting idea. But the "U.S." isn't giving these countries weapons. Various people from the U.S. may be doing that, I know that U.S. citizens (those of which any refugees would suddenly be living next to) didn't vote to give weapons to Syrian armies. But if you have proof of it (and I'm not saying you don't) you've then got to find out how the deal was made. Also you want to blame the gun sellers and not the gun shooters. I get what you're trying to do. In your mind, before Europe and the U.S. (before white people) the middle east was paradise blah blah. And Western countries are intent to simply destabilize everything right, to some end. What I don't understand is the millions of refugees are somehow not able to form their own country. What army in the world now has as many as these of age male refugees? If we are to welcome these refugees, we'd be assuming that they can melt into the shared values of the culture, follow the rules, etc. And if we assume that, then we can assume they can cooperate amongst themselves. So why are they not doing so and forming a peaceful country? Hmm, well maybe we have been BUT it hasn't worked out well.

turar 11y ago
It's not even about the weapons. The root cause of this situation is the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
- jacobush 11y ago
  Yes. The invasion, if it had to be done, which could have been handled a lot better than it was. Which is to say, it was not handled at all. "We won. Now what."
theworstshill 11y ago
You're certainly joking, or trolling too hard. This is YC and not tumblr after all where the answer to any and all problems is "white males". However, the situation in the middle east was quantitatively and qualitatively better when it had Saddam, Qaddafi et all. The region had ethnic and religious tensions for most of its existance, the difference is - before the war in Iraq, Afganistan, Lybia and now Syria, there was a defined pecking order. The biggest asshole had already went through all of the atrocities he had to to become what he is. After US came in, and sprinkled dollars and guns to every antigovernment faction - we now have 20 assholes in every country that vie for the title of the biggest asshole, and they're ready to do whatever it takes. All I'm saying is - take some responsibility for that. Germany and Europe as a whole isn't responsible for upsetting the order that lead to this humanitarian problem. US military adventures did.
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- SinomaSo 11y ago
  The biggest mistake the US did is dismantling the Iraqi military. All top generals and army officers become jobless over night. Now guess who runs the ISIS intelligence and military operations? yes, the former Bath Iraqi Intelligence and army officers.
- jacobush 11y ago
  The US civilian administration of Iraq, fired 800 000 army employees. Like that wasn't going to create a problem. The US blew such a big chance to keep Iraq going and gradually stabilize it over time.

logingone 11y ago

Syria has a population of ~22 million - how do you see that playing out?

jahewson 11y ago

Let's at least mention the real culprits: Russia and Iran.

powertower 11y ago
Culprits of what? Russia and Iran are not trying to destabilize and take over the country - by forming, arming, and financing terrorist groups from within and from outside. They did not bring this conflict to Syria, nor the resulting destruction.
- davidw 11y ago
  One of the reasons I hate these kinds of discussions is that they are so boring and simplistic. The notion that "it's all the US' fault!" seems to always rear its head. I'm not a fan of a lot of US foreign policy, but people like Assad and Putin are 'not very nice people' to put it mildly, and have done more than their fair share to cause problems in Syria. Russia has a direct interest in Syria, BTW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tart...
  - powertower 11y ago
    If you are curious about what the other side sees this as, this is a decent write-up - http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrians-support-bashar-al-assad/5405208 http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrians-support-bashar-al-a...
    - davidw 11y ago
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11840713/Russian-troops-fighting-alongside-Assads-army-against-Syrian-rebels.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/1... reports of actual Russian troops fighting in Syria...
    - hrez 11y ago
      Let me just quote http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca "While many of Globalresearch's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian or environmental concerns, the site has a strong undercurrent of reality warping throughout its pages, especially in relation to taking its news from sources such as Russia Today RT[2] and Press TV.[3] Its view of science, the economy and geopolitics seems to be broadly conspiracist. Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites Globalresearch, they are almost certainly wrong."