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>> Only then I realized that the way people live in Switzerland is not something you can take for granted and in the end made me move back. I agree. I lived in

by s3nnyy 11y ago

>> Only then I realized that the way people live in Switzerland is not something you can take for granted and in the end made me move back. I agree. I lived in Germany for 20 years, now I live in Zurich and can't be any happier. Check out my post "Eight reasons why I moved to Switzerland" https://medium.com/@iwaninzurich/eight-reasons-why-i-moved-to-switzerland-to-work-in-it-c7ac18af4f90 https://medium.com/@iwaninzurich/eight-reasons-why-i-moved-t... btw.: Switzerland also takes refugees, but because they want to, not because they are forced by the EU.

tobltobs 11y ago
> Switzerland also takes refugees But only those with more than 10 Million $ in their pockets. But now seriously, Switzerland is NOT taking any noticeable number of refugees. In the current political situation a suggestion to take refuges would be suicide for every politican.
- cylinder 11y ago
  Switzerland has been taking far more per-capita than other European nations. Understandably they recently tightened.
  - tobltobs 11y ago
    Could it be that you confuse refuges with expats and working immigrants? Similar to Mörgeli?
    - tormeh 11y ago
      Nah, according to http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-chart http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-c... Switzerland is exemplary on a per-capita basis.
      - tobltobs 11y ago
        I think you should read this article again. It is talking about the acceptance rate. It means a country which would only take one refuge and accept his asylum request would be on the top of this list. But yeah, details and facts are not the most important thing for our friends from the SVP.
Inthenameofmine 11y ago
Interesting. Looks like I'm in the exact opposite boat. I'm a Swiss citizen and moved to a developing country (that has huge population outflow atm due to illegal immigration) to live and work. I achieved in 2 years (from scratch, no savings whatsoever) more than I ever could in Switzerland. My standard of living is incredible because of better purchasing power, and life is so much more fulfilling because you can actually change people's lives here. In my experience the Swiss industry is also mostly non-meritocratic and hugely biased towards authority and xenophobia. Not to mention the rigidness of work culture itself. Looks like about 10% of the Swiss would agree with me. [1] In my opinion, if you want to be an office employee, Switzerland is awesome, but if you want to be an entrepreneur or do anything of importance for the world, Switzerland is not the place. [1] https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/china/en/home/living-in/swiss-nationals-living-abroad.html https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/china/en/home/living-in/s...
- s3nnyy 11y ago
  Could you also tell what you did in Switzerland and what you do now in this "developing" country? Power-distance or empathy to foreigners is no different to Germany, at least in Zurich. Switzerland can't be that bad as a place for software engineers: 1) Google placed the biggest software engineering office outside the US into Zurich. 2) The ETH is the only place except for Oxford and Cambridge that can compete with top-US schools.
  - Inthenameofmine 11y ago
    We do Bitcoin and Blockchain development [1]. Full stack JS and Go. Founded the company a year ago, we're now 17 full time employees, fully bootstrapped. Equity and cash flow with several US based startups. Not to mention that we're now finishing projects international teams located in Switzerland weren't able to pull off. As a side note, half of the team we replaced in Switzerland were from the ETH and Lausanne. Our interns here get more work done than those guys! It's completely surreal, which is why I felt so strongly about your comment. I got a US Engineering degree from RIT, when I got back to to Switzerland I couldn't even get responses to waiter jobs, let alone programming. That said, I'm first generation Swiss with a non-Swiss name, they probably didn't even look at my CV. I know people with similar stories in the industry, most of them in the Ukraine and Thailand actually. [1] https://bitsapphire.com/ https://bitsapphire.com/

by s3nnyy 11y ago

tobltobs 11y ago

> Switzerland also takes refugees But only those with more than 10 Million $ in their pockets. But now seriously, Switzerland is NOT taking any noticeable number of refugees. In the current political situation a suggestion to take refuges would be suicide for every politican.

cylinder 11y ago
Switzerland has been taking far more per-capita than other European nations. Understandably they recently tightened.
- tobltobs 11y ago
  Could it be that you confuse refuges with expats and working immigrants? Similar to Mörgeli?
  - tormeh 11y ago
    Nah, according to http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-chart http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-c... Switzerland is exemplary on a per-capita basis.
    - tobltobs 11y ago
      I think you should read this article again. It is talking about the acceptance rate. It means a country which would only take one refuge and accept his asylum request would be on the top of this list. But yeah, details and facts are not the most important thing for our friends from the SVP.

Inthenameofmine 11y ago

Interesting. Looks like I'm in the exact opposite boat. I'm a Swiss citizen and moved to a developing country (that has huge population outflow atm due to illegal immigration) to live and work. I achieved in 2 years (from scratch, no savings whatsoever) more than I ever could in Switzerland. My standard of living is incredible because of better purchasing power, and life is so much more fulfilling because you can actually change people's lives here. In my experience the Swiss industry is also mostly non-meritocratic and hugely biased towards authority and xenophobia. Not to mention the rigidness of work culture itself. Looks like about 10% of the Swiss would agree with me. [1] In my opinion, if you want to be an office employee, Switzerland is awesome, but if you want to be an entrepreneur or do anything of importance for the world, Switzerland is not the place. [1] https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/china/en/home/living-in/swiss-nationals-living-abroad.html https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/china/en/home/living-in/s...

s3nnyy 11y ago
Could you also tell what you did in Switzerland and what you do now in this "developing" country? Power-distance or empathy to foreigners is no different to Germany, at least in Zurich. Switzerland can't be that bad as a place for software engineers: 1) Google placed the biggest software engineering office outside the US into Zurich. 2) The ETH is the only place except for Oxford and Cambridge that can compete with top-US schools.
- Inthenameofmine 11y ago
  We do Bitcoin and Blockchain development [1]. Full stack JS and Go. Founded the company a year ago, we're now 17 full time employees, fully bootstrapped. Equity and cash flow with several US based startups. Not to mention that we're now finishing projects international teams located in Switzerland weren't able to pull off. As a side note, half of the team we replaced in Switzerland were from the ETH and Lausanne. Our interns here get more work done than those guys! It's completely surreal, which is why I felt so strongly about your comment. I got a US Engineering degree from RIT, when I got back to to Switzerland I couldn't even get responses to waiter jobs, let alone programming. That said, I'm first generation Swiss with a non-Swiss name, they probably didn't even look at my CV. I know people with similar stories in the industry, most of them in the Ukraine and Thailand actually. [1] https://bitsapphire.com/ https://bitsapphire.com/