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I really can't imagine anyone singing up for this except a few people. The recent waves or unchecked immigration has produced nothing but negative effects to t

I really can't imagine anyone singing up for this except a few people. The recent waves or unchecked immigration has produced nothing but negative effects to the population, to such an extent that even recent immigrants themselves want the doors shut.

masteryupa_ 11y ago
"The recent waves or unchecked immigration has produced nothing but negative effects to the population..." Citation please.
- dudul 11y ago
  Extremist/nationalist parties are on the rise pretty much everywhere in Europe. Isn't it usually a good indicator that people are greatly unhappy? Granted that immigration may not be the only factor it is the favorite theme of nationalist groups. Edit: I guess I'm being downvoted for not providing sources, my bad. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/20/world/europe/rise-of-far-right-party-in-denmark-reflects-europes-unease.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/20/world/europe/rise-of-far-r... http://wilsonquarterly.com/stories/what-explains-meteoric-rise-europes-radical-right/ http://wilsonquarterly.com/stories/what-explains-meteoric-ri... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/15/far-right-threat-europe-integration http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/15/far-rig...
  - chki 11y ago
    I think it might be a good indicator that people are frightened, which is different.
    - dudul 11y ago
      Let's say unsatisfied then :) Either because they're unhappy or scared, in any case, they're not comfortable with the current immigration policies.
rmxt 11y ago
Which recent waves? Negative effects to which populations of which countries? Where are these supposed recent immigrants that want the doors shut? Evidence please.
yellowsir 11y ago
my parants did this last month and the process was really fast and easy. the did this to improve their Arabic and help 2 jung people in need. I would do the same, if i had the room and i'm glad my old room at my parents house finally is usefull again. also their small town is quit happy about the desition and quickly offert services and goods like language courses and a bicycle. i worked in a refugee center and beleve me, it's nigther fun to be a refugee nor do you live the rich live (most foren education does not get recognize in austria), but you have made it in a save country. basicly its a bunch of people getting really bored waiting for their working permit, so why not integrate them turing this time??
arrrg 11y ago
Racism and xenophobia together with paranoid isolationism all the way to straight up facism have been on the rise recently, together with actual violence against refugees, that much is certainly true, but you forget that there are many different people with many different views living in Europe. The outpouring of support (donations, volunteer work) has also been rising a lot. In Germany I have also seen a marked shift in media coverage, away from crisis reporting towards a more honest approach portraying practical solutions and steps, including volunteer work. The main evening news in Germany, for example, has been airing a portraial of volunteers and their work and has consistently shown the donation account number for wire transfers. You may be stuck in your own isolationist filter bubble. There is a whole world out there.
- powertower 11y ago
  You're conveniently ignoring the other's side of the argument: such as importing poverty, low wage or unskilled workers, crime, racism, xenophobia, radical ideologies and religions, incompatible views and behavior, things such as "no-go" zones, and all the other things that European countries and seeing with non-European immigration, is not a net benefit to society. The rise of the native push-back against immigration is an effect of, and not a cause of the trouble. Combined with a grim economic situation and dwindling economic opportunities (such as gainful employment) is also not helping much with integration matters. Hence why people "stuck in your own isolationist filter bubble" are against it.
  - arrrg 11y ago
    So refugees are to blame for xenophobia, racism and violent attacks on themselves? Stop hitting yourself, eh? That’s absurd, completely and utterly. Basic human rights and human dignity should be on all our minds. Compared to that the problems you name are trivial matters. Oh my god, the obscenely rich Europeans might lose a tiny bit of their living standard, how horrific! That’s arrogance on the ivory tower. (It’s so absurd to me that giving up a bit of your living standard in exchange for preserving more human dignity overall is always treated as self-evidently unacceptable. I’m not sure why that is. Yes, sometimes to insure that human rights are upheld and human dignity is persevered it is necessary to sacrifice. So what. Trivial matters to the super-rich like ourselves.) All of this obviously doesn’t mean that pain, suffering and poverty don’t exist in Europe and those problems don’t get less important, sure, but comparatively speaking, I mean, come on … this attitude is just absurd.

masteryupa_ 11y ago

"The recent waves or unchecked immigration has produced nothing but negative effects to the population..." Citation please.

dudul 11y ago
Extremist/nationalist parties are on the rise pretty much everywhere in Europe. Isn't it usually a good indicator that people are greatly unhappy? Granted that immigration may not be the only factor it is the favorite theme of nationalist groups. Edit: I guess I'm being downvoted for not providing sources, my bad. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/20/world/europe/rise-of-far-right-party-in-denmark-reflects-europes-unease.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/20/world/europe/rise-of-far-r... http://wilsonquarterly.com/stories/what-explains-meteoric-rise-europes-radical-right/ http://wilsonquarterly.com/stories/what-explains-meteoric-ri... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/15/far-right-threat-europe-integration http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/15/far-rig...
- chki 11y ago
  I think it might be a good indicator that people are frightened, which is different.
  - dudul 11y ago
    Let's say unsatisfied then :) Either because they're unhappy or scared, in any case, they're not comfortable with the current immigration policies.

rmxt 11y ago

Which recent waves? Negative effects to which populations of which countries? Where are these supposed recent immigrants that want the doors shut? Evidence please.

yellowsir 11y ago

my parants did this last month and the process was really fast and easy. the did this to improve their Arabic and help 2 jung people in need. I would do the same, if i had the room and i'm glad my old room at my parents house finally is usefull again. also their small town is quit happy about the desition and quickly offert services and goods like language courses and a bicycle. i worked in a refugee center and beleve me, it's nigther fun to be a refugee nor do you live the rich live (most foren education does not get recognize in austria), but you have made it in a save country. basicly its a bunch of people getting really bored waiting for their working permit, so why not integrate them turing this time??

arrrg 11y ago

Racism and xenophobia together with paranoid isolationism all the way to straight up facism have been on the rise recently, together with actual violence against refugees, that much is certainly true, but you forget that there are many different people with many different views living in Europe. The outpouring of support (donations, volunteer work) has also been rising a lot. In Germany I have also seen a marked shift in media coverage, away from crisis reporting towards a more honest approach portraying practical solutions and steps, including volunteer work. The main evening news in Germany, for example, has been airing a portraial of volunteers and their work and has consistently shown the donation account number for wire transfers. You may be stuck in your own isolationist filter bubble. There is a whole world out there.

powertower 11y ago
You're conveniently ignoring the other's side of the argument: such as importing poverty, low wage or unskilled workers, crime, racism, xenophobia, radical ideologies and religions, incompatible views and behavior, things such as "no-go" zones, and all the other things that European countries and seeing with non-European immigration, is not a net benefit to society. The rise of the native push-back against immigration is an effect of, and not a cause of the trouble. Combined with a grim economic situation and dwindling economic opportunities (such as gainful employment) is also not helping much with integration matters. Hence why people "stuck in your own isolationist filter bubble" are against it.
- arrrg 11y ago
  So refugees are to blame for xenophobia, racism and violent attacks on themselves? Stop hitting yourself, eh? That’s absurd, completely and utterly. Basic human rights and human dignity should be on all our minds. Compared to that the problems you name are trivial matters. Oh my god, the obscenely rich Europeans might lose a tiny bit of their living standard, how horrific! That’s arrogance on the ivory tower. (It’s so absurd to me that giving up a bit of your living standard in exchange for preserving more human dignity overall is always treated as self-evidently unacceptable. I’m not sure why that is. Yes, sometimes to insure that human rights are upheld and human dignity is persevered it is necessary to sacrifice. So what. Trivial matters to the super-rich like ourselves.) All of this obviously doesn’t mean that pain, suffering and poverty don’t exist in Europe and those problems don’t get less important, sure, but comparatively speaking, I mean, come on … this attitude is just absurd.