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True - there's still ways of helping without that. But what's the fear about letting refugees into the country? Why are people so scared of this? (genuine ques

by ashleyp 11y ago

True - there's still ways of helping without that. But what's the fear about letting refugees into the country? Why are people so scared of this? (genuine question =)) It seems to me the only countries whom are scared are the ones who think they're the best, greatest and fear loosing that status. This sounds like idk...country ego? lol.

caseysoftware 11y ago
> Why cares who's responsible? They're humans. Arn't we all responsible for all humans on the planet? How many homeless people do you let crash at your place each night?
- ashleyp 11y ago
  Caseysoftware - i've had exactly three people crash at my house who were homeless strangers. Only for a few nights each. I have also got chatting to a homeless dude who turned out to be an artist. He carried on a pen drive pictures he'd created over the last few years but he had no computer access and no way to get them. I said i'd take a look and the next day went into a shop and printed every single picture, paid for it and gave it to him. I have no problem giving to strangers and not getting anything in return. I get something back naturally, I feel happier that they are happier. Hence i'm in the process of starting a social enterprise =).
  - caseysoftware 11y ago
    Sounds like a great start. When are you going fulltime with it? "It" being letting homeless people crash at your house all the time.
    - rmxt 11y ago
      It's intellectually dishonest to presuppose that the only way to support destitute people is to personally let them into your home.
      - caseysoftware 11y ago
        It's intellectually dishonest to suggest that people let the destitute into their own homes, but not for people to suggest the same for your home? It's easy to suggest how someone else's resources (time, money, and effort) should be handled but it's something else to do it yourself.
        rmxt 11y ago
        Yes, it is intellectually dishonest. The submission/posted website does suggest inviting refugees into one's own home, but you are the one who suggested that we should compare "fear of refugees on a national level" (ashleyp's post "But what's the fear about letting refugees into the country?") to "fear of letting a stranger into one's home" (your post "How many homeless people do you let crash at your place each night?") That's not a sound comparison. Nowhere has anyone stated that you (the impersonal you) should take refugees in, while I don't. I am not suggesting that any individual be mandated to keep refugees (or anyone that they don't want) in their home. I am suggesting that pooled resources (taxes, which aren't "someone else's resources") go towards maximizing the benefit for the most number of people, inclusive of immigrants.
    - ashleyp 11y ago
      I won't be for a long time. I've just moved back into my disabled Mum's house which has 3 small bedrooms and 5 people. Cramped conditions but I work as much as possible on a social enterprise. In a few years time I dream i'll be able to provide much more housing than space on my couch. There are alternatives to just giving housing.
d9h549f34w6 11y ago
How many destitute people do you house in your own home? Why only that number and not more? If zero, why is that? What percentage of your income are you donating to support refugees? Why is that percentage not higher?
- ashleyp 11y ago
  Ooo, there's a hefty underlying assumption in your post. I have previously taken people off the street, three times. I do not currently have anyone living in my home because I have moved back to my disabled Mums which is a 3 bedroom house already with 5 people living there. Why am I living at my Mums? I give 100% of my time to helping others and i'm in the process of starting a social enterprise to develop technology to help others in a variety of situations. We've already designed and nearly finish an app to help women in domestic violence situations, tools to help kids with dyslexia, tools for autism. Every penny will go back into creating more tools and technologies to help. Then I can buy an Island. Yep, i'm not even kidding that's my ambition. "What percentage of your income are you donating to support refugees? Why is that percentage not higher?" - I currently give no funds to refugees because I put all of my funds into creating other projects to help others in different domains. I feel that investing in these which will generate more income will give more income to help more people.
  - throwaway999777 11y ago
    slow clap.
    - ashleyp 11y ago
      Thankyou. We're already pulling in 4k a month and reaching schools.
      - throwaway999777 11y ago
        Have fun with your martyr egotrip.
jbssm 11y ago
> But what's the fear about letting refugees into the country? Why are people so scared of this? (genuine question =)) It's the fear of letting people with very, very, different social standards in our countries. And it's warranted. More than 50% of these refugees believe that whoever leaves the faith of Islam should suffer the death penalty and that adultery should be dealt with stoning to death. We are not talking about a minority here, we are talking about the majority of them. So, you really shouldn't have to ask why are we afraid of letting them in in such big numbers, the questions should be, how can we do the right thing and still protect the social freedom values we hold dear in the West while doing so. Source: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/ http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religi... EDIT: It's funny that I'm being downvoted for answering exactly your question and providing evidence about it from a well know and neutral source.
- rmxt 11y ago
  Perhaps you're being downvoted because your source does not once refer to immigrants, refugees or migrants. You've presented no evidence which suggests that migrants (a particularly self-selecting group) are a uniform sampling of the population of the countries that they hail from. You've made quite an assumption there. If your polls showed the opinions of Muslims already in Western European countries, then maybe we could start to talk about the ramifications of culture clashes. As it stands now, you're looking for what you want to see: "Muslims are scary!". I'd venture to say that people, in general, that are willing to move (east to west, or west to east) are probably more inclined to adapt to the place where they are going than the ones that stay in their country of origin.
  - jbssm 11y ago
    So, migrants are not a good sample of the population of the country they originate from. They are special in some way and by taking a 3000 Km journey trough Africa they are already Westernised even before setting foot in Europe. Makes perfect sense... I mean, makes perfect sense to try and deny reality in such an obvious way.

by ashleyp 11y ago

caseysoftware 11y ago

> Why cares who's responsible? They're humans. Arn't we all responsible for all humans on the planet? How many homeless people do you let crash at your place each night?

ashleyp 11y ago
Caseysoftware - i've had exactly three people crash at my house who were homeless strangers. Only for a few nights each. I have also got chatting to a homeless dude who turned out to be an artist. He carried on a pen drive pictures he'd created over the last few years but he had no computer access and no way to get them. I said i'd take a look and the next day went into a shop and printed every single picture, paid for it and gave it to him. I have no problem giving to strangers and not getting anything in return. I get something back naturally, I feel happier that they are happier. Hence i'm in the process of starting a social enterprise =).
- caseysoftware 11y ago
  Sounds like a great start. When are you going fulltime with it? "It" being letting homeless people crash at your house all the time.
  - rmxt 11y ago
    It's intellectually dishonest to presuppose that the only way to support destitute people is to personally let them into your home.
    - caseysoftware 11y ago
      It's intellectually dishonest to suggest that people let the destitute into their own homes, but not for people to suggest the same for your home? It's easy to suggest how someone else's resources (time, money, and effort) should be handled but it's something else to do it yourself.
      - rmxt 11y ago
        Yes, it is intellectually dishonest. The submission/posted website does suggest inviting refugees into one's own home, but you are the one who suggested that we should compare "fear of refugees on a national level" (ashleyp's post "But what's the fear about letting refugees into the country?") to "fear of letting a stranger into one's home" (your post "How many homeless people do you let crash at your place each night?") That's not a sound comparison. Nowhere has anyone stated that you (the impersonal you) should take refugees in, while I don't. I am not suggesting that any individual be mandated to keep refugees (or anyone that they don't want) in their home. I am suggesting that pooled resources (taxes, which aren't "someone else's resources") go towards maximizing the benefit for the most number of people, inclusive of immigrants.
  - ashleyp 11y ago
    I won't be for a long time. I've just moved back into my disabled Mum's house which has 3 small bedrooms and 5 people. Cramped conditions but I work as much as possible on a social enterprise. In a few years time I dream i'll be able to provide much more housing than space on my couch. There are alternatives to just giving housing.

d9h549f34w6 11y ago

How many destitute people do you house in your own home? Why only that number and not more? If zero, why is that? What percentage of your income are you donating to support refugees? Why is that percentage not higher?

ashleyp 11y ago
Ooo, there's a hefty underlying assumption in your post. I have previously taken people off the street, three times. I do not currently have anyone living in my home because I have moved back to my disabled Mums which is a 3 bedroom house already with 5 people living there. Why am I living at my Mums? I give 100% of my time to helping others and i'm in the process of starting a social enterprise to develop technology to help others in a variety of situations. We've already designed and nearly finish an app to help women in domestic violence situations, tools to help kids with dyslexia, tools for autism. Every penny will go back into creating more tools and technologies to help. Then I can buy an Island. Yep, i'm not even kidding that's my ambition. "What percentage of your income are you donating to support refugees? Why is that percentage not higher?" - I currently give no funds to refugees because I put all of my funds into creating other projects to help others in different domains. I feel that investing in these which will generate more income will give more income to help more people.
- throwaway999777 11y ago
  slow clap.
  - ashleyp 11y ago
    Thankyou. We're already pulling in 4k a month and reaching schools.
    - throwaway999777 11y ago
      Have fun with your martyr egotrip.

jbssm 11y ago

> But what's the fear about letting refugees into the country? Why are people so scared of this? (genuine question =)) It's the fear of letting people with very, very, different social standards in our countries. And it's warranted. More than 50% of these refugees believe that whoever leaves the faith of Islam should suffer the death penalty and that adultery should be dealt with stoning to death. We are not talking about a minority here, we are talking about the majority of them. So, you really shouldn't have to ask why are we afraid of letting them in in such big numbers, the questions should be, how can we do the right thing and still protect the social freedom values we hold dear in the West while doing so. Source: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/ http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religi... EDIT: It's funny that I'm being downvoted for answering exactly your question and providing evidence about it from a well know and neutral source.

rmxt 11y ago
Perhaps you're being downvoted because your source does not once refer to immigrants, refugees or migrants. You've presented no evidence which suggests that migrants (a particularly self-selecting group) are a uniform sampling of the population of the countries that they hail from. You've made quite an assumption there. If your polls showed the opinions of Muslims already in Western European countries, then maybe we could start to talk about the ramifications of culture clashes. As it stands now, you're looking for what you want to see: "Muslims are scary!". I'd venture to say that people, in general, that are willing to move (east to west, or west to east) are probably more inclined to adapt to the place where they are going than the ones that stay in their country of origin.
- jbssm 11y ago
  So, migrants are not a good sample of the population of the country they originate from. They are special in some way and by taking a 3000 Km journey trough Africa they are already Westernised even before setting foot in Europe. Makes perfect sense... I mean, makes perfect sense to try and deny reality in such an obvious way.