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Why would anyone want to? Germany desperately needs immigration to keep up the economy and welfare system and overall immigrants pay more to Germany than they g

by DasIch 11y ago

Why would anyone want to? Germany desperately needs immigration to keep up the economy and welfare system and overall immigrants pay more to Germany than they get out of it.

mrdodge 11y ago
These people will not be net contributors to the system.
- jacobush 11y ago
  I don't know about Germany but the average immigrant coming to Sweden currently has more education than the general population in Sweden. (11.5 years vs 11)
  - mrdodge 11y ago
    They are also unemployed at a far higher rate than the natives and cause many times for crime. Equating education levels from a broken state to Western European education levels is a false equivalency as well.
  - progx 11y ago
    People that emigrate to Sweden or fleeing People? And how good is the education, the study time give no conclusion about that?
  - dudul 11y ago
    Not sure what study you're referring to, but if it uses the term "immigrant" it probably merges refugees with "regular immigrants" - that is other EU citizens immigrating for work for example. Plus, going to school 6 more months doesn't mean that they are more employed. What are the numbers regarding refugees and unemployment for example?
  - draugadrotten 11y ago
    > I don't know about Germany but the average immigrant coming to Sweden currently has more education than the general population in Sweden. (11.5 years vs 11) reply This is simply false. Please provide a source for this claim, preferably SCB. Official statistics claim that Syrian refugees have 3 year university degree in 10% of cases, and the Swedish population have 24% a degree. Official statistics: http://www.scb.se/sv_/Hitta-statistik/Publiceringskalender/Visa-detaljerad-information/?publobjid=24489+ http://www.scb.se/sv_/Hitta-statistik/Publiceringskalender/V... Google translate can tell you more http://www.tino.us/2015/04/onsketankande-av-stefan-lofven-att-30-procent-av-syrier-har-hogskoleutbildning/ http://www.tino.us/2015/04/onsketankande-av-stefan-lofven-at... Please back this book - it will give some valuable insights. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2079803541/moral-superpower-a-book-on-immigration-by-tino-san/comments https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2079803541/moral-superp...
estefan 11y ago
You really can't think of a single scenario in which someone you don't know goes to live with you and you want them to leave?
- mrdodge 11y ago
  These people are naive. They have no knowledge of history.
- DasIch 11y ago
  Of course I can think of such scenarios, I can't think of any scenario in which this would be a big problem though. A lot of people live with flatmates who they didn't really know before living together. It's unusual not to for students. This doesn't always work out perfectly either. To blow this up into a huge problem, if a refugee is involved, isn't anything but racism.
  - estefan 11y ago
    It's to do with people with very few alternatives. If there's not a proper contract in advance, well, you'll have to live with the consequences because the courts probably won't want to hear from you.
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Scea91 11y ago
Can you back this up?
venomsnake 11y ago
Then lets open to immigration from Latin America where people are culturally closer to Europe. And Ukraine and Georgia.

by DasIch 11y ago

Why would anyone want to? Germany desperately needs immigration to keep up the economy and welfare system and overall immigrants pay more to Germany than they get out of it.

mrdodge 11y ago

These people will not be net contributors to the system.

jacobush 11y ago
I don't know about Germany but the average immigrant coming to Sweden currently has more education than the general population in Sweden. (11.5 years vs 11)
- mrdodge 11y ago
  They are also unemployed at a far higher rate than the natives and cause many times for crime. Equating education levels from a broken state to Western European education levels is a false equivalency as well.
- progx 11y ago
  People that emigrate to Sweden or fleeing People? And how good is the education, the study time give no conclusion about that?
- dudul 11y ago
  Not sure what study you're referring to, but if it uses the term "immigrant" it probably merges refugees with "regular immigrants" - that is other EU citizens immigrating for work for example. Plus, going to school 6 more months doesn't mean that they are more employed. What are the numbers regarding refugees and unemployment for example?
- draugadrotten 11y ago
  > I don't know about Germany but the average immigrant coming to Sweden currently has more education than the general population in Sweden. (11.5 years vs 11) reply This is simply false. Please provide a source for this claim, preferably SCB. Official statistics claim that Syrian refugees have 3 year university degree in 10% of cases, and the Swedish population have 24% a degree. Official statistics: http://www.scb.se/sv_/Hitta-statistik/Publiceringskalender/Visa-detaljerad-information/?publobjid=24489+ http://www.scb.se/sv_/Hitta-statistik/Publiceringskalender/V... Google translate can tell you more http://www.tino.us/2015/04/onsketankande-av-stefan-lofven-att-30-procent-av-syrier-har-hogskoleutbildning/ http://www.tino.us/2015/04/onsketankande-av-stefan-lofven-at... Please back this book - it will give some valuable insights. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2079803541/moral-superpower-a-book-on-immigration-by-tino-san/comments https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2079803541/moral-superp...

estefan 11y ago

You really can't think of a single scenario in which someone you don't know goes to live with you and you want them to leave?

mrdodge 11y ago
These people are naive. They have no knowledge of history.
DasIch 11y ago
Of course I can think of such scenarios, I can't think of any scenario in which this would be a big problem though. A lot of people live with flatmates who they didn't really know before living together. It's unusual not to for students. This doesn't always work out perfectly either. To blow this up into a huge problem, if a refugee is involved, isn't anything but racism.
- estefan 11y ago
  It's to do with people with very few alternatives. If there's not a proper contract in advance, well, you'll have to live with the consequences because the courts probably won't want to hear from you.
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Scea91 11y ago

Can you back this up?

venomsnake 11y ago

Then lets open to immigration from Latin America where people are culturally closer to Europe. And Ukraine and Georgia.