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"I really do not understand. If you don't want to work 14 hours a day, it's simple, don't work for these factories. They're offering a particular type of job fo

"I really do not understand. If you don't want to work 14 hours a day, it's simple, don't work for these factories. They're offering a particular type of job for particular people, it's clear up front. You have a choice." - Opponents of the 8 hour work day during the industrial era. Regulations on employment are there for a reason -- you cannot say that an employer is free to ignore them because people 'don't have to work there'.

dylanjermiah 11y ago
I am saying that that there should not be an interference from a third party into a consensual contract between two parties.
closetnerd 11y ago
It's a bit of a stretch to imply that Uber is ignoring its drivers. I can understand that employment laws need to be strict when there isn't enough competition for employers to keep there employees. But given that Uber is a strong choice for many, to most, drivers, I'd argue that its detrimental to have such strong regulations favoring employees.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > It's a bit of a stretch to imply that Uber is ignoring its drivers. The reference to "ignoring them" in the post you were responding to had "regulations" not "drivers" as the antecedent of "them".
  - closetnerd 11y ago
    The antecedent in question: > Regulations on employment are there for a reason I assume that reason being so employees are not ignored there basic rights, as the law sees it.
- hackuser 11y ago
  > given that Uber is a strong choice for many, to most, drivers I've heard this from Uber and some anecdotes (part of Uber marketing, I suspect); is there data? Maybe the drivers feel they need to work for whoever controls the most customers, for example.
  - closetnerd 11y ago
    > I've heard this from Uber and some anecdotes (part of Uber marketing, I suspect); O_o Well this a first. No I simply like Uber as a service and model. > is there data? No. So you're right. I probably can't claim "most drivers". But it being the biggest ride sharing service by far, it's difficult to argue that it isn't a strong choice.
    - Frondo 11y ago
      It's not ride-sharing. That's a marketing term, and totally non-descriptive of how Uber works. Ride-sharing seems more like what you'd see in developing countries, the private (unlicensed) taxis where someone with a car picks up a passenger from the side of the road for a few cents' (negotiated on the spot) fare. Uber is just a taxi service with a really fancy app and really dodgy employment (i.e. "you employees, you're all contractors!") practices.
    - hackuser 11y ago
      >> I've heard this from Uber and some anecdotes (part of Uber marketing, I suspect); > Well this a first. No I simply like Uber as a service and model. Sorry! I did not intend to imply you are doing marketing. I'm referring to, for example, op-eds in newspapers by happy Uber drivers.
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onewaystreet 11y ago
And as a result we now outsource all of our manufacturing to China.

dylanjermiah 11y ago

I am saying that that there should not be an interference from a third party into a consensual contract between two parties.

closetnerd 11y ago

It's a bit of a stretch to imply that Uber is ignoring its drivers. I can understand that employment laws need to be strict when there isn't enough competition for employers to keep there employees. But given that Uber is a strong choice for many, to most, drivers, I'd argue that its detrimental to have such strong regulations favoring employees.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> It's a bit of a stretch to imply that Uber is ignoring its drivers. The reference to "ignoring them" in the post you were responding to had "regulations" not "drivers" as the antecedent of "them".
- closetnerd 11y ago
  The antecedent in question: > Regulations on employment are there for a reason I assume that reason being so employees are not ignored there basic rights, as the law sees it.
hackuser 11y ago
> given that Uber is a strong choice for many, to most, drivers I've heard this from Uber and some anecdotes (part of Uber marketing, I suspect); is there data? Maybe the drivers feel they need to work for whoever controls the most customers, for example.
- closetnerd 11y ago
  > I've heard this from Uber and some anecdotes (part of Uber marketing, I suspect); O_o Well this a first. No I simply like Uber as a service and model. > is there data? No. So you're right. I probably can't claim "most drivers". But it being the biggest ride sharing service by far, it's difficult to argue that it isn't a strong choice.
  - Frondo 11y ago
    It's not ride-sharing. That's a marketing term, and totally non-descriptive of how Uber works. Ride-sharing seems more like what you'd see in developing countries, the private (unlicensed) taxis where someone with a car picks up a passenger from the side of the road for a few cents' (negotiated on the spot) fare. Uber is just a taxi service with a really fancy app and really dodgy employment (i.e. "you employees, you're all contractors!") practices.
  - hackuser 11y ago
    >> I've heard this from Uber and some anecdotes (part of Uber marketing, I suspect); > Well this a first. No I simply like Uber as a service and model. Sorry! I did not intend to imply you are doing marketing. I'm referring to, for example, op-eds in newspapers by happy Uber drivers.

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onewaystreet 11y ago

And as a result we now outsource all of our manufacturing to China.