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"I have the ability to tell the difference ..." But that's the whole point: it's hard to tell! Of course the classification is easy at the end points (super he

by Jun8 11y ago

"I have the ability to tell the difference ..." But that's the whole point: it's hard to tell! Of course the classification is easy at the end points (super helpful guy vs total arrogant jerk) but towards the mean the probability of false alarm is much larger. Geeks are a diverse bunch, it may just be that the guy is from another country where interactions are different or it may be just that he's a bit awkward initially because he does not interact with women daily (it happens). I think the correct approach is to give them the benefit of doubt for a while before labeling them as dudes or whatever. Isn't that the golden rule?

alukima 11y ago
I always give people the benefit of the doubt? Why would you think that women aren't? I am an awkward person with social anxiety. The idea that women like myself aren't already doing that is part of the absurdity.
calibraxis 11y ago
> But that's the whole point: it's hard to tell! Ah, that's your problem — it's hard for men to tell! Women have much less of a problem. Sorry, reality sucks. I'm a dude, and patriarchy trains us to be bloviating know-nothing assholes driven to mansplain: "... the constant work women perform in managing, maintaining, and adjusting the egos of apparently oblivious men — involving an endless work of imaginative identification and what I’ve called interpretive labor. This carries over on every level. Women are always imagining what things look like from a male point of view. Men almost never do the same for women. This is presumably the reason why in so many societies with a pronounced gendered division of labor (that is, most societies), women know a great deal about men do every day, and men have next to no idea about women’s occupations. Faced with the prospect of even trying to imagine a women’s perspective, many recoil in horror. In the US, one popular trick among High School creative writing teachers is to assign students to write an essay imagining that they were to switch genders, and describe what it would be like to live for one day as a member of the opposite sex. The results are almost always exactly the same: all the girls in class write long and detailed essays demonstrating that they have spent a great deal of time thinking about such questions; roughly half the boys refuse to write the essay entirely. Almost invariably they express profound resentment about having to imagine what it might be like to be a woman." http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-revolution-in-reverse http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-revolut...

by Jun8 11y ago

alukima 11y ago

I always give people the benefit of the doubt? Why would you think that women aren't? I am an awkward person with social anxiety. The idea that women like myself aren't already doing that is part of the absurdity.

calibraxis 11y ago

> But that's the whole point: it's hard to tell! Ah, that's your problem — it's hard for men to tell! Women have much less of a problem. Sorry, reality sucks. I'm a dude, and patriarchy trains us to be bloviating know-nothing assholes driven to mansplain: "... the constant work women perform in managing, maintaining, and adjusting the egos of apparently oblivious men — involving an endless work of imaginative identification and what I’ve called interpretive labor. This carries over on every level. Women are always imagining what things look like from a male point of view. Men almost never do the same for women. This is presumably the reason why in so many societies with a pronounced gendered division of labor (that is, most societies), women know a great deal about men do every day, and men have next to no idea about women’s occupations. Faced with the prospect of even trying to imagine a women’s perspective, many recoil in horror. In the US, one popular trick among High School creative writing teachers is to assign students to write an essay imagining that they were to switch genders, and describe what it would be like to live for one day as a member of the opposite sex. The results are almost always exactly the same: all the girls in class write long and detailed essays demonstrating that they have spent a great deal of time thinking about such questions; roughly half the boys refuse to write the essay entirely. Almost invariably they express profound resentment about having to imagine what it might be like to be a woman." http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-revolution-in-reverse http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-revolut...