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The problem is not that some women say that they're uncomfortable in existing hacker spaces. The problem is that they scream "misogyny" at the slightest offense

by tomp 11y ago

The problem is not that some women say that they're uncomfortable in existing hacker spaces. The problem is that they scream "misogyny" at the slightest offense. Maybe the guy was just an asshole, non-discriminately? Maybe he was trying to (awkwardly) seduce her (some people would say that's sexism as well, but in reality it's just being a heterosexual - it's more than probable that the same guy would try to seduce men if he was gay)?

mindstab 11y ago
Hackspaces are supposed to be safe spaces to do work, you aren't there for flirting/socialzing/picking-a-mate. There, like work, it is inappropriate to be trying to "seduce" someone. Try a bar. To tell women that by being in public they have to accept endless random seduction attempts is a giant part of the problem. Also gay guys usually don't just hit on everyone because at least they usually have the grace to know when it's appropriate and when it's not and also when it might be reciprocal (wanted) and when not.
- tomp 11y ago
  > Hackspaces are supposed to be safe spaces to do work, you aren't there for flirting/socialzing/picking-a-mate. There, like work, it is inappropriate to be trying to "seduce" someone. Well, then I imagine hack spaces a bit differently. For me, anything I do in my free time isn't work, it's fun. Socializing. And a natural part of socializing is forming relationships. Friendships, romantic relationships, ... In any case, I'd consider it much preferable to try and meet a soulmate at a common hobby, rather than at a bar. Applies to everyone, not just women, of course. > Also gay guys usually don't just hit on everyone because at least they usually have the grace to know when it's appropriate and when it's not and also when it might be reciprocal (wanted) and when not. That's quite a generalization, a pretty offensive at that. Obviously, straight guys are all scary and creepy, while gay guys are nice and tender and soft!
  - comrh 11y ago
    Most women don't want to deal with your desire for a "romantic relationship" though.

by tomp 11y ago

mindstab 11y ago

Hackspaces are supposed to be safe spaces to do work, you aren't there for flirting/socialzing/picking-a-mate. There, like work, it is inappropriate to be trying to "seduce" someone. Try a bar. To tell women that by being in public they have to accept endless random seduction attempts is a giant part of the problem. Also gay guys usually don't just hit on everyone because at least they usually have the grace to know when it's appropriate and when it's not and also when it might be reciprocal (wanted) and when not.

tomp 11y ago
> Hackspaces are supposed to be safe spaces to do work, you aren't there for flirting/socialzing/picking-a-mate. There, like work, it is inappropriate to be trying to "seduce" someone. Well, then I imagine hack spaces a bit differently. For me, anything I do in my free time isn't work, it's fun. Socializing. And a natural part of socializing is forming relationships. Friendships, romantic relationships, ... In any case, I'd consider it much preferable to try and meet a soulmate at a common hobby, rather than at a bar. Applies to everyone, not just women, of course. > Also gay guys usually don't just hit on everyone because at least they usually have the grace to know when it's appropriate and when it's not and also when it might be reciprocal (wanted) and when not. That's quite a generalization, a pretty offensive at that. Obviously, straight guys are all scary and creepy, while gay guys are nice and tender and soft!
- comrh 11y ago
  Most women don't want to deal with your desire for a "romantic relationship" though.