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Many countries prosecute attempted suicide, and yes family members are absolutely "victimized" by their loved ones' self-destruction. Of course the response of
by superuser2 11y ago
Many countries prosecute attempted suicide, and yes family members are absolutely "victimized" by their loved ones' self-destruction. Of course the response of jailing suicidal people and drug users isn't helpful either, but now we're talking about a more interesting standard (whether punishment is helpful) than whether a victim exists.
>using drugs of their own free will
Some proponents of drug prohibition would argue that people (particularly teens) are not using drugs of their own free will, but exploited by dealers and peer groups. Others of a more liberal bent might argue that people don't use hard drugs of their own free will, but as a release from desperate circumstances - becoming a heroin addict is no more a "free" act than jumping from a burning building.
>no one is entitled to other peoples money
Says you. It's certainly not a property of the universe - just 400 years ago there'd have been no question that the lord of the manor owned all your labor, graciously giving you your daily bread out of Christian obligation. Every man for himself is a relatively recent development in human history. You may consider it progress. But a leftist wouldn't - he would say progress is the replacement of the lord of the manor by a democratic state, or the people as a whole, or something like that.
Failure to help your fellow man obviously has victims - thousands of people die of circumstances that could have been alleviated by your money. As do taxes, as do environment regulations (some are spared cancer; some are out of a job; some are out a great deal of capital equipment). The question of politics is what distribution of harm is just.
Incidentally, if you're ever tempted to shit on liberal arts majors... this is what they do all day. Philosophy is, in large part, working through very old and complex arguments on questions such as this. "What is justice?" is at least as old as Plato's Republic and the conversation continues for thousands of years.
- the_ancient 11y ago>>>yes family members are absolutely "victimized" by their loved ones' self-destruction. They may be traumatized, but they are not victimized >>>Some proponents of drug prohibition would argue that people (particularly teens) are not using drugs of their own free will those same people believe that nothing is "free will". That free will does not exist. You should ignore those people. >>>It's certainly not a property of the universe - just 400 years ago there'd have been no question that the lord of the manor owned all your labor, Using unethical policies in history to justify more unethical polices today is ridiculous. >>>Failure to help your fellow man obviously has victims - thousands of people die of circumstances that could have been alleviated by your money. You keep using the word victim to describe tragedies, I do not think you understand the difference. Humanities failure to help people in need is not victimizing them, it is a tragedy. "It’s amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness. People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered, and if we’re compassionate we’ll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint." -- Penn Jillette