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There's a classic experiment where people turn some pegs a quarter turn for an hour or so. There were three groups, the first was paid a dollar, the second $20

by fnid 17y ago

There's a classic experiment where people turn some pegs a quarter turn for an hour or so. There were three groups, the first was paid a dollar, the second $20, and third was control, paid nothing. Of the three groups, which do you think enjoyed the work the most? Well, the one dollar group said they enjoyed it the most and indicated they were most likely to do an experiment like it in the future? Why? You can read more here: http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Festinger/ http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Festinger/ So what this says is, when you get paid enough money, you can admit to yourself that what you are doing for the money isn't that great and you don't like it. If you aren't paid that much, then you have to justify to yourself why you are doing it and this might include that you enjoy it, you're helping a group, "doing your part," or some other reason besides being fairly compensated. Otherwise, you'd say, "I do it for the money." I wonder if collectively, programmers/hackers/IT people work for less than their value and so they (we) compensate for the lack of compensation with "passion for the work."

doug11235 17y ago
I think it is important to consider how comfortable a person is with the pay they receive. That is, if I have to think and worry about necessities then I'm not fully mentally engaged in my work. Being paid enough to live a comfortable life is important. Conversely, if the difference between 2 jobs is whether or not I can afford something I consider a luxury, then job satisfaction and other non-monetary benefits start to mean something. Clearly necessities, luxuries, and comfort all being subjective.
ramanujan 17y ago
> the one dollar group said they enjoyed it the most Counterintuitive. Interesting. But not really definitive. Here's the key quote: > The difference between the One and Twenty Dollar conditions reaches the .08 level of significance on a two-tailed test (t = 1.79). The sample sizes here are tiny, about 20 people per. Without meaning any offense to you in particular, I've often observed that "interesting" social science findings like this take on disproportionate significance when verbally summarized as "enjoyed it the most" or "more effective". That only tells you a tiny bit about (respectively) ranks or the sign of the difference. Lacking detailed knowledge of the experiment (= effect sizes + confidence intervals), one doesn't know how robust those ranks or orderings are if the experiment was repeated...which is, in this case, what the citation boils down to: a tacit suggestion to repeat the experiment with compensation at your business! Again, zero offense intended. My only point is that social science type findings like this should be handled with great skepticism, particularly if the results are counterintuitive and involve small sample sizes. (PS: I do agree that money is often the most expensive way to motivate people. It does not motivate me. But I think some of Dan Ariely's work is more persuasive in this regard.)

by fnid 17y ago

doug11235 17y ago

I think it is important to consider how comfortable a person is with the pay they receive. That is, if I have to think and worry about necessities then I'm not fully mentally engaged in my work. Being paid enough to live a comfortable life is important. Conversely, if the difference between 2 jobs is whether or not I can afford something I consider a luxury, then job satisfaction and other non-monetary benefits start to mean something. Clearly necessities, luxuries, and comfort all being subjective.

ramanujan 17y ago

> the one dollar group said they enjoyed it the most Counterintuitive. Interesting. But not really definitive. Here's the key quote: > The difference between the One and Twenty Dollar conditions reaches the .08 level of significance on a two-tailed test (t = 1.79). The sample sizes here are tiny, about 20 people per. Without meaning any offense to you in particular, I've often observed that "interesting" social science findings like this take on disproportionate significance when verbally summarized as "enjoyed it the most" or "more effective". That only tells you a tiny bit about (respectively) ranks or the sign of the difference. Lacking detailed knowledge of the experiment (= effect sizes + confidence intervals), one doesn't know how robust those ranks or orderings are if the experiment was repeated...which is, in this case, what the citation boils down to: a tacit suggestion to repeat the experiment with compensation at your business! Again, zero offense intended. My only point is that social science type findings like this should be handled with great skepticism, particularly if the results are counterintuitive and involve small sample sizes. (PS: I do agree that money is often the most expensive way to motivate people. It does not motivate me. But I think some of Dan Ariely's work is more persuasive in this regard.)