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You've written the same comment several times now, so I'd like to point out a few things: 1) The Fritz!Box seems to be much more focused on telephony, rather t

You've written the same comment several times now, so I'd like to point out a few things: 1) The Fritz!Box seems to be much more focused on telephony, rather than home automation. 2) Many of us do not like modem functionality integrated with our router (I have a Docsis 3 cable modem). 3) Fritz!Box doesn't have a Zigbee transceiver, which seems to be the technology ideally suited to home automation(replacing de facto standards that have been around for years, i.e. zwave). Just so we're clear, I have no interest in Onhub, and would never consider letting Google have access to my router firewall.

kuschku 11y ago
Yes, but now you have to see that in some countries, like Germany, the standard router you get from your ISP is the Fritz!Box 7490 – if you already have that, the OnHub is literally a waste of money, because it does everything slightly worse. One thing the Fritz! System does to retrofit existing devices with "smart" capabilities is that it also allows you to use socket adapters [2] to old stuff, so you can automatically turn on / off devices like your sprinkler, etc. In general, it uses DECT (or WiFi) for home automation, which also allows you to connect normal phones, babyphones, wireless cameras, etc to it. [1] http://en.avm.de/products/fritzpowerline/fritzpowerline-546e/ http://en.avm.de/products/fritzpowerline/fritzpowerline-546e...
- simoncion 11y ago
  > [I]f you already have [the Fritz!Boz 7490], the OnHub is literally a waste of money, because it does everything slightly worse. Don't take this the wrong way, but this is pretty much equivalent to saying "If you already have a good router that you're happy with, a similarly priced router with similar features and performance will not interest you.", which is a statement that should surprise no-one. :)
  - kuschku 11y ago
    Well, it wasn’t a "this device is shit", more a "well, the OnHub isn’t really filling any niche, nor disrupting the market – it’s a mediocre product in an oversaturated market".
    - simoncion 11y ago
      > Well, it wasn’t a "this device is shit"... That's not how I interpreted it. ;) The situation in Germany appears to be very different than the situation in the US. If folks get a router and/or AP from their ISP it's almost always a flaky pile of shit. If this doesn't become yet another abandoned project with in a year (or vaguely-rubber-stamp compliance effort inside of two), the Google folks will likely put a sizeable chunk of R&D effort into ensuring that they push the state of residential wireless APs forward. As it stands now, there are ALL SORTS of really cool things that WiFi APs should do, but just fucking don't for reasons that are beyond my comprehension.
      - kuschku 11y ago
        Well, except for the Fritz!Box, all other routers we get here are also shit. But the Fritz!Box is something special xD AVM, originally a huge advertising company on German BTX (a kinda internet before the internet), became large with modems and home phones, so their routers are an extension of that. And, well, as all devices are assembled in Germany, the price tag is usually accepted, as you get the best of the best out of it – the routers are prolly gonna last a lifetime. But yeah, Google OnHub might have some potential, but if the ISPs in the US didn’t give their users a Fritz!Box in the past decade, they won’t give them an OnHub either. And only for Google Fiber or self-bought seems pretty... wasteful.
        simoncion 11y ago
        > And only for Google Fiber or self-bought seems pretty... wasteful. Eh? If your current wireless router either sucks or dies, then you're in the market for a new one. When it comes to networking gear, it pays to pay for quality. Not everyone knows that, but many people do. > ...if the ISPs in the US didn’t give their users a Fritz!Box... It seems that the only people I hear talking about Fritz!Boxes are Germans. I've known many techies with many strange devices, but I've never seen a Fritz!Box in person. Their fame might be restricted to Germany and maybe neighboring countries. :)

kuschku 11y ago

Yes, but now you have to see that in some countries, like Germany, the standard router you get from your ISP is the Fritz!Box 7490 – if you already have that, the OnHub is literally a waste of money, because it does everything slightly worse. One thing the Fritz! System does to retrofit existing devices with "smart" capabilities is that it also allows you to use socket adapters [2] to old stuff, so you can automatically turn on / off devices like your sprinkler, etc. In general, it uses DECT (or WiFi) for home automation, which also allows you to connect normal phones, babyphones, wireless cameras, etc to it. [1] http://en.avm.de/products/fritzpowerline/fritzpowerline-546e/ http://en.avm.de/products/fritzpowerline/fritzpowerline-546e...

simoncion 11y ago
> [I]f you already have [the Fritz!Boz 7490], the OnHub is literally a waste of money, because it does everything slightly worse. Don't take this the wrong way, but this is pretty much equivalent to saying "If you already have a good router that you're happy with, a similarly priced router with similar features and performance will not interest you.", which is a statement that should surprise no-one. :)
- kuschku 11y ago
  Well, it wasn’t a "this device is shit", more a "well, the OnHub isn’t really filling any niche, nor disrupting the market – it’s a mediocre product in an oversaturated market".
  - simoncion 11y ago
    > Well, it wasn’t a "this device is shit"... That's not how I interpreted it. ;) The situation in Germany appears to be very different than the situation in the US. If folks get a router and/or AP from their ISP it's almost always a flaky pile of shit. If this doesn't become yet another abandoned project with in a year (or vaguely-rubber-stamp compliance effort inside of two), the Google folks will likely put a sizeable chunk of R&D effort into ensuring that they push the state of residential wireless APs forward. As it stands now, there are ALL SORTS of really cool things that WiFi APs should do, but just fucking don't for reasons that are beyond my comprehension.
    - kuschku 11y ago
      Well, except for the Fritz!Box, all other routers we get here are also shit. But the Fritz!Box is something special xD AVM, originally a huge advertising company on German BTX (a kinda internet before the internet), became large with modems and home phones, so their routers are an extension of that. And, well, as all devices are assembled in Germany, the price tag is usually accepted, as you get the best of the best out of it – the routers are prolly gonna last a lifetime. But yeah, Google OnHub might have some potential, but if the ISPs in the US didn’t give their users a Fritz!Box in the past decade, they won’t give them an OnHub either. And only for Google Fiber or self-bought seems pretty... wasteful.
      - simoncion 11y ago
        > And only for Google Fiber or self-bought seems pretty... wasteful. Eh? If your current wireless router either sucks or dies, then you're in the market for a new one. When it comes to networking gear, it pays to pay for quality. Not everyone knows that, but many people do. > ...if the ISPs in the US didn’t give their users a Fritz!Box... It seems that the only people I hear talking about Fritz!Boxes are Germans. I've known many techies with many strange devices, but I've never seen a Fritz!Box in person. Their fame might be restricted to Germany and maybe neighboring countries. :)