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Yup. And partying people forget what other meds they're on, what else they've taken/eaten, how much they weight. (How often do people measure, log how much or

Yup. And partying people forget what other meds they're on, what else they've taken/eaten, how much they weight. (How often do people measure, log how much or test potency? Never.) A roommate in uni was white, clammy and shivering on the floor from alcohol poisoning, refusing to go to the hospital. He managed to survive that night, but probably with some hard-core liver damage. The other thing that turned me off from harder stuff is a second cousin looking like a diseased concentration-camp survivor and stealing from everyone in the family while neglecting her kid... Such addiction states turn people into zombie-like criminals. You want to help or intervene, but it's hard to convince anyone to adjust their lifestyle in the face of meth.

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stinos 11y ago
Picking out a few horror stories and ignoring everything else is a bit too easy - it's not all that bad. How often do people measure, log how much or test potency? Never. That is simply untrue. I don't have any numbers of course. But from the people I actually know, including myself, almost everyone who was trying something new for the first time would first check what a normal dosage was and then take like 1/4th, or less depending on what type of drug, of that first just to see what to expect. We even had test kits for XTC pills which would check if they'd actually contain MDMA. Moreover since a couple of years in the Netherlands there are labs to which you can send your drugs to get test results back about amount of active ingredients and so on. This all just to illustrate there are in fact sensible drug users out there and not everyone, or everyone in a certain scene, just ingests/snorts whatever you give them.
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  Its a much different situation in the Netherlands though. In the US, you have fear of criminal prosecution for recreational amounts; testing is (from my observations) non-existant unless you're an educated, proactive recreational drug user.
  - ryanlol 11y ago
    Of which there exists a plenty, more so after the rise of Silk Road & Co.
  - phaer 11y ago
    While you could still be prosecuted in Austria, there's at least one institution in Vienna which tests (recreational) drugs for users and is accepted by the local police for their harm-reduction. The catch is that they can't return your (mostly quite small) samples after testing for legal reasons. http://www.checkyourdrugs.at/ http://www.checkyourdrugs.at/ if you read german.
- paublyrne 11y ago
  * But from the people I actually know, including myself, almost everyone who was trying something new for the first time would first check what a normal dosage was and then take like 1/4th, or less depending on what type of drug, of that first just to see what to expect.* My younger self wouldn't recognise that kind of behaviour. The first time I took ecstasy, I ended up taking five pills over the night. That seems like bizarre, reckless behaviour to me now, but trying telling that to my younger self. He was bizarre and reckless.

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stinos 11y ago

Picking out a few horror stories and ignoring everything else is a bit too easy - it's not all that bad. How often do people measure, log how much or test potency? Never. That is simply untrue. I don't have any numbers of course. But from the people I actually know, including myself, almost everyone who was trying something new for the first time would first check what a normal dosage was and then take like 1/4th, or less depending on what type of drug, of that first just to see what to expect. We even had test kits for XTC pills which would check if they'd actually contain MDMA. Moreover since a couple of years in the Netherlands there are labs to which you can send your drugs to get test results back about amount of active ingredients and so on. This all just to illustrate there are in fact sensible drug users out there and not everyone, or everyone in a certain scene, just ingests/snorts whatever you give them.

toomuchtodo 11y ago
Its a much different situation in the Netherlands though. In the US, you have fear of criminal prosecution for recreational amounts; testing is (from my observations) non-existant unless you're an educated, proactive recreational drug user.
- ryanlol 11y ago
  Of which there exists a plenty, more so after the rise of Silk Road & Co.
- phaer 11y ago
  While you could still be prosecuted in Austria, there's at least one institution in Vienna which tests (recreational) drugs for users and is accepted by the local police for their harm-reduction. The catch is that they can't return your (mostly quite small) samples after testing for legal reasons. http://www.checkyourdrugs.at/ http://www.checkyourdrugs.at/ if you read german.
paublyrne 11y ago
* But from the people I actually know, including myself, almost everyone who was trying something new for the first time would first check what a normal dosage was and then take like 1/4th, or less depending on what type of drug, of that first just to see what to expect.* My younger self wouldn't recognise that kind of behaviour. The first time I took ecstasy, I ended up taking five pills over the night. That seems like bizarre, reckless behaviour to me now, but trying telling that to my younger self. He was bizarre and reckless.