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Does anyone have links to audio samples where these differences are prominent? In addition to comments, this video has a decent comparison using sawtooth tones

Does anyone have links to audio samples where these differences are prominent? In addition to comments, this video has a decent comparison using sawtooth tones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRlp-OH0OEA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRlp-OH0OEA

CarVac 11y ago
I went looking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU
- EarthLaunch 11y ago
  Thank you. That is astounding. I wonder if there is any way to find music performed using original tunings. It sounds SO much better to me.
  - CarVac 11y ago
    I know, it's amazing. Each example had my mouth agape. For me, the closest analogy would be watching Japanese movies and TV shows being able to understand their original language as opposed to relying on subtitles or dubs; there's a whole dimension of nuance I was missing before I learned the language.
    - EarthLaunch 11y ago
      Yes. In return, while learning about this I found this great explanation: http://contentspiano.blogspot.com/2006/02/pythagorean-equal-meantone-and-well.html http://contentspiano.blogspot.com/2006/02/pythagorean-equal-...
  - baddox 11y ago
    You can listen to barbershop music if you want to hear justly tuned chords. Just don't get too obsessed with it unless you want equal-tempered music (i.e. almost all recorded music) to sound just a bit wrong. YouTube videos are hard to come by, but I posted two examples in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10145785 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10145785 And another clip I uploaded of using pitch-detecting software on a studio recording (notice it detects a lot more than 4 simultaneous notes, because it's "hearing" overtones): http://youtu.be/v7kHnEaGIfg http://youtu.be/v7kHnEaGIfg
  - Omnus 11y ago
    Look for recordings using the terms "period instruments", "historically informed performance" (HIP), or "early music". There are several ensembles, both orchestral and choral, that perform music in a historically informed way. Check out one list here: http://musicmoz.org/Styles/Classical/Occidental/Periods/Early_Music/Bands_and_Artists/ http://musicmoz.org/Styles/Classical/Occidental/Periods/Earl...
    - Bud 11y ago
      That list is a start, but it's over ten years old now and leaves out a lot of world-class groups. We're actually right in the middle of a golden age of early music performance. I sing professionally with several period instrument groups: American Bach Soloists, Philharmonia Baroque Orchestra, Bach Collegium San Diego, and others. The first two groups I just listed are in the Bay Area, btw, so concerts are readily accessible to readers in Silicon Valley.
- abannin 11y ago
  Hearing Chopin in Meantone is pretty awesome.
acjohnson55 11y ago
Wouldn't that be nice, rather than whining about numbers? It's an informative article, but the reality is that nobody cares. And I mean "nobody" in the approximate sense of 99.9% of music listeners. The reality is that our brains are more than happy to glue these nasty thirds to their hypothetical frequencies. Sure, they have a little roughness to them, but it's not a big deal, especially considering that most piano music from the 18th and 19th century is composed not to highlight the weaknesses of temperaments. Also, equal temperament isn't quite the final word on piano tuning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretched_tuning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretched_tuning
- analog31 11y ago
  To make matters worse, or maybe better, most non keyboard instruments have no sensible temperament whatsoever. Even fretted instruments are a compromise.
  - luchs 11y ago
    Most non keyboard instruments have ways to adjust the pitch slightly per interval while playing, allowing experienced players to play all intervals perfectly.
    - analog31 11y ago
      Yes. I played flute as a kid, and I remember C-sharp in particular as being troublesome. Today I play double bass, and of course intonation is a significant factor in technique. Also, good players will push the notes up and down for effect.
  - hrnnnnnn 11y ago
    I've seen some crazy guitar fretboards that try to make up for this, with really jagged frets.
    - octatoan 11y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsSjh5TTqI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsSjh5TTqI
smortaz 11y ago
Wendy Carlos released a 2nd version of her Bach Brandenberg Concertos that were done using period tuning on synthesizers including modulations. perhaps you can compare the two.
- intopieces 11y ago
  Do you mean "Switched-On Brandenburgs: The Complete Concertos Vol. 1"?
gtani 11y ago
for one of my digital pianos (Yamaha), there's options for these (besides ET): - pure major/minor - pythagorean - mean tone - werckmeister/kirnberger, which i've heard mentioned as a good option for acoustic pianos a few times (i suppose i should try it) For any besides ET, you have to specify the root/base note. I think my synths have these options as well, so if you know anybody that has one, you can try it yourself. I think for string instruments, a few cents difference is pretty audible, but not so much for, say clarinet which doesn't have the sharp transients, unless you're playing above the treble clef staff. and then when you hit a track with overdrive/distortion, reverb and delay, it becomes very hard to discern differences.

CarVac 11y ago

I went looking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBt6APk21tU

EarthLaunch 11y ago
Thank you. That is astounding. I wonder if there is any way to find music performed using original tunings. It sounds SO much better to me.
- CarVac 11y ago
  I know, it's amazing. Each example had my mouth agape. For me, the closest analogy would be watching Japanese movies and TV shows being able to understand their original language as opposed to relying on subtitles or dubs; there's a whole dimension of nuance I was missing before I learned the language.
  - EarthLaunch 11y ago
    Yes. In return, while learning about this I found this great explanation: http://contentspiano.blogspot.com/2006/02/pythagorean-equal-meantone-and-well.html http://contentspiano.blogspot.com/2006/02/pythagorean-equal-...
- baddox 11y ago
  You can listen to barbershop music if you want to hear justly tuned chords. Just don't get too obsessed with it unless you want equal-tempered music (i.e. almost all recorded music) to sound just a bit wrong. YouTube videos are hard to come by, but I posted two examples in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10145785 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10145785 And another clip I uploaded of using pitch-detecting software on a studio recording (notice it detects a lot more than 4 simultaneous notes, because it's "hearing" overtones): http://youtu.be/v7kHnEaGIfg http://youtu.be/v7kHnEaGIfg
- Omnus 11y ago
  Look for recordings using the terms "period instruments", "historically informed performance" (HIP), or "early music". There are several ensembles, both orchestral and choral, that perform music in a historically informed way. Check out one list here: http://musicmoz.org/Styles/Classical/Occidental/Periods/Early_Music/Bands_and_Artists/ http://musicmoz.org/Styles/Classical/Occidental/Periods/Earl...
  - Bud 11y ago
    That list is a start, but it's over ten years old now and leaves out a lot of world-class groups. We're actually right in the middle of a golden age of early music performance. I sing professionally with several period instrument groups: American Bach Soloists, Philharmonia Baroque Orchestra, Bach Collegium San Diego, and others. The first two groups I just listed are in the Bay Area, btw, so concerts are readily accessible to readers in Silicon Valley.
abannin 11y ago
Hearing Chopin in Meantone is pretty awesome.

acjohnson55 11y ago

Wouldn't that be nice, rather than whining about numbers? It's an informative article, but the reality is that nobody cares. And I mean "nobody" in the approximate sense of 99.9% of music listeners. The reality is that our brains are more than happy to glue these nasty thirds to their hypothetical frequencies. Sure, they have a little roughness to them, but it's not a big deal, especially considering that most piano music from the 18th and 19th century is composed not to highlight the weaknesses of temperaments. Also, equal temperament isn't quite the final word on piano tuning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretched_tuning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretched_tuning

analog31 11y ago
To make matters worse, or maybe better, most non keyboard instruments have no sensible temperament whatsoever. Even fretted instruments are a compromise.
- luchs 11y ago
  Most non keyboard instruments have ways to adjust the pitch slightly per interval while playing, allowing experienced players to play all intervals perfectly.
  - analog31 11y ago
    Yes. I played flute as a kid, and I remember C-sharp in particular as being troublesome. Today I play double bass, and of course intonation is a significant factor in technique. Also, good players will push the notes up and down for effect.
- hrnnnnnn 11y ago
  I've seen some crazy guitar fretboards that try to make up for this, with really jagged frets.
  - octatoan 11y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsSjh5TTqI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsSjh5TTqI

smortaz 11y ago

Wendy Carlos released a 2nd version of her Bach Brandenberg Concertos that were done using period tuning on synthesizers including modulations. perhaps you can compare the two.

intopieces 11y ago
Do you mean "Switched-On Brandenburgs: The Complete Concertos Vol. 1"?

gtani 11y ago

for one of my digital pianos (Yamaha), there's options for these (besides ET): - pure major/minor - pythagorean - mean tone - werckmeister/kirnberger, which i've heard mentioned as a good option for acoustic pianos a few times (i suppose i should try it) For any besides ET, you have to specify the root/base note. I think my synths have these options as well, so if you know anybody that has one, you can try it yourself. I think for string instruments, a few cents difference is pretty audible, but not so much for, say clarinet which doesn't have the sharp transients, unless you're playing above the treble clef staff. and then when you hit a track with overdrive/distortion, reverb and delay, it becomes very hard to discern differences.