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Actually it's a huge mistake for amateurs to try to follow top athletes' training routine or diet. They have a different starting position, capabilities, and co

by ivanhoe 11y ago

Actually it's a huge mistake for amateurs to try to follow top athletes' training routine or diet. They have a different starting position, capabilities, and completely different goals. One thing that non-obese people just can't seem to understand when discussing diets is that it's not the same to loose a few pounds before summer and to spend 3-4 years dieting and changing your deeply hard-coded lifestyle in order to loose half of your weight or more. With obese people right mindset and self-discipline plays a huge rule, that's where most people fail. It's extremely hard and demanding to follow the strict behavioral rules for years and it's much bigger problem than just counting calories.

CyberDildonics 11y ago
An even bigger problem is that obese people don't understand what will get them thin because conventional wisdom is a poor approach. Cut way back on fructose, eat way more fiber, fat, and protein. That alone is huge. Want to go faster? Cut down artificial sweeteners and drink water (or something unsweetened). Want to go even faster? Do intense workouts twice a week. You don't have to run, don't have to spend a long time, but you do need to exhaust your major muscle groups. Then your body has no choice but to recharge and heal your muscles, which it will do by mobilizing fat. An obese person following this can lose 5 pounds per week and not be hungry, although the craving for sugar in the first week or two will be akin to fighting a genuine addiction.
- leshow 11y ago
  The overwhelming body of evidence suggests that sugar-free sweeteners absolutely don't cause fat gain, and that increasing water consumption has no affect on fat loss. Your body has a well regulated mechanism of telling you when you need water; it's called thirst. Your advice on cutting back on fructose and eating more fibre fat and protein, without mentioning that you have to also be in a caloric deficit is a huge oversight. If my maintenance caloric intake is 2k cals per day and I change the macronutrient ratio I'm consuming but not the overall calories, I likely won't experience any weight loss except a small amount from thermic effect of feeding related to protein consumption. You absolutely need to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight, and fructose is satan in disguise that's going to mess up your weight loss goals.
  - CyberDildonics 11y ago
    I wasn't implying drinking more water to help weight loss, just to avoid drinking things that have fructose. The thing is, less fructose, more fat, fiber and protein will put someone in a caloric deficit without them trying. You crave sugar, but once you get over that you aren't hungry. Remember that it isn't calories in calories out, it is calories absorbed calories out. A caloric deficit happens naturally which is why it is so effective.
    - leshow 11y ago
      Everything you just said is absurd. > The thing is, less fructose, more fat, fiber and protein will put someone in a caloric deficit without them trying. Silly to assume this would be true for all individuals and a broad statement. > Remember that it isn't calories in calories out, it is calories absorbed calories out. All digestible material will be 'absorbed'. If your body couldn't digest food fully you would literally shit out chunks of undigested material, unless you have some kind of condition that doesn't happen. > A caloric deficit happens naturally which is why it is so effective. I'm not even sure that this means. If caloric deficits happened naturally we would all slowly starve to death.
Retric 11y ago
It's generally not hard to lose significant weight while obese, keeping it off is long term is far harder.
leshow 11y ago
If by following you mean eating exactly the same amounts then yes it would obviously be silly. But you can follow someones diet by taking the core concepts; higher protein intake, moderate caloric deficit, increased activity, and make fantastic results after you tailor it to your individual needs by figuring out your caloric maintenance (by tracking food and being weight stable over a period of time not by punching your age and height into a calculator)

by ivanhoe 11y ago

CyberDildonics 11y ago

An even bigger problem is that obese people don't understand what will get them thin because conventional wisdom is a poor approach. Cut way back on fructose, eat way more fiber, fat, and protein. That alone is huge. Want to go faster? Cut down artificial sweeteners and drink water (or something unsweetened). Want to go even faster? Do intense workouts twice a week. You don't have to run, don't have to spend a long time, but you do need to exhaust your major muscle groups. Then your body has no choice but to recharge and heal your muscles, which it will do by mobilizing fat. An obese person following this can lose 5 pounds per week and not be hungry, although the craving for sugar in the first week or two will be akin to fighting a genuine addiction.

leshow 11y ago
The overwhelming body of evidence suggests that sugar-free sweeteners absolutely don't cause fat gain, and that increasing water consumption has no affect on fat loss. Your body has a well regulated mechanism of telling you when you need water; it's called thirst. Your advice on cutting back on fructose and eating more fibre fat and protein, without mentioning that you have to also be in a caloric deficit is a huge oversight. If my maintenance caloric intake is 2k cals per day and I change the macronutrient ratio I'm consuming but not the overall calories, I likely won't experience any weight loss except a small amount from thermic effect of feeding related to protein consumption. You absolutely need to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight, and fructose is satan in disguise that's going to mess up your weight loss goals.
- CyberDildonics 11y ago
  I wasn't implying drinking more water to help weight loss, just to avoid drinking things that have fructose. The thing is, less fructose, more fat, fiber and protein will put someone in a caloric deficit without them trying. You crave sugar, but once you get over that you aren't hungry. Remember that it isn't calories in calories out, it is calories absorbed calories out. A caloric deficit happens naturally which is why it is so effective.
  - leshow 11y ago
    Everything you just said is absurd. > The thing is, less fructose, more fat, fiber and protein will put someone in a caloric deficit without them trying. Silly to assume this would be true for all individuals and a broad statement. > Remember that it isn't calories in calories out, it is calories absorbed calories out. All digestible material will be 'absorbed'. If your body couldn't digest food fully you would literally shit out chunks of undigested material, unless you have some kind of condition that doesn't happen. > A caloric deficit happens naturally which is why it is so effective. I'm not even sure that this means. If caloric deficits happened naturally we would all slowly starve to death.

Retric 11y ago

It's generally not hard to lose significant weight while obese, keeping it off is long term is far harder.

leshow 11y ago

If by following you mean eating exactly the same amounts then yes it would obviously be silly. But you can follow someones diet by taking the core concepts; higher protein intake, moderate caloric deficit, increased activity, and make fantastic results after you tailor it to your individual needs by figuring out your caloric maintenance (by tracking food and being weight stable over a period of time not by punching your age and height into a calculator)