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OS X ships outdated versions of Bash and Git for example. The 10.10.5 version ships Bash 3.2 and Git 2.3, while Homebrew gives you Bash 4.3+ and git 2.5+.

by hk__2 11y ago

pjmlp 11y ago
This is the usual mistake young generations do in regard to UNIX, neither bash nor Git are part of UNIX standard. POSIX IEEE Std 1003.1, 2013 Edition defines sh as the shell. There is no git in POSIX IEEE Std 1003.1, 2013 Edition.
- eropple 11y ago
  Virtually every person who uses any modern Linux or OS X system expects bash to be installed and in the modern vernacular it can be completely and safely considered, in informal discussion, to be part of relevant Unixes. You knew exactly what he meant, but for some reason (and I won't speculate but it isn't a good look on you) you decided to be pedantic for the sake of being pedantic. You're not being helpful to anyone or anything and should stop, and you know it.
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  - stephenr 11y ago
    The majority of people who use Bash on OS X will not be using advanced features. The people that are likely to use advanced features would also hopefully be aware of Bash's fragility/compatibility issues between minor versions, and thus wouldn't rely on it for anything like shell scripts. So we're left with people who want to use advanced features and are doing so purely on machines they control.. So what stops them from either compiling their own bash, or using one of the third party package managers to install it?
    - eropple 11y ago
      It shouldn't be the job of a third-party package manager to do this. I want my vendors to stay up to date not just for feature purposes, but for security ones, too. (Remember how long it took Apple to get a Shellshock patch out there?) But I have less of an interest in that than in discouraging jerkish pedantry.
- jmount 11y ago
  A Unix derived operating system with a package manager (BSD Ports, Linux debian/apt or rpm) is way more powerful than one without. Half the time I am installing stuff I don't particularly like or want- but that is necessary to complete a project.

OS X ships outdated versions of Bash and Git for example. The 10.10.5 version ships Bash 3.2 and Git 2.3, while Homebrew gives you Bash 4.3+ and git 2.5+.

by hk__2 11y ago

OS X ships outdated versions of Bash and Git for example. The 10.10.5 version ships Bash 3.2 and Git 2.3, while Homebrew gives you Bash 4.3+ and git 2.5+.

pjmlp 11y ago

This is the usual mistake young generations do in regard to UNIX, neither bash nor Git are part of UNIX standard. POSIX IEEE Std 1003.1, 2013 Edition defines sh as the shell. There is no git in POSIX IEEE Std 1003.1, 2013 Edition.

eropple 11y ago
Virtually every person who uses any modern Linux or OS X system expects bash to be installed and in the modern vernacular it can be completely and safely considered, in informal discussion, to be part of relevant Unixes. You knew exactly what he meant, but for some reason (and I won't speculate but it isn't a good look on you) you decided to be pedantic for the sake of being pedantic. You're not being helpful to anyone or anything and should stop, and you know it.
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- stephenr 11y ago
  The majority of people who use Bash on OS X will not be using advanced features. The people that are likely to use advanced features would also hopefully be aware of Bash's fragility/compatibility issues between minor versions, and thus wouldn't rely on it for anything like shell scripts. So we're left with people who want to use advanced features and are doing so purely on machines they control.. So what stops them from either compiling their own bash, or using one of the third party package managers to install it?
  - eropple 11y ago
    It shouldn't be the job of a third-party package manager to do this. I want my vendors to stay up to date not just for feature purposes, but for security ones, too. (Remember how long it took Apple to get a Shellshock patch out there?) But I have less of an interest in that than in discouraging jerkish pedantry.
jmount 11y ago
A Unix derived operating system with a package manager (BSD Ports, Linux debian/apt or rpm) is way more powerful than one without. Half the time I am installing stuff I don't particularly like or want- but that is necessary to complete a project.