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The Freedesktop foundation is starting to scare me. I feel like all of their projects, in aggregate, are heading in a direction I do not know if I like.

digi_owl 11y ago
Look into its history, it got fired up by Havoc Pennington out of RH. Sadly it seemed to work at first, but now it is basically a tool for Gnome/Fedora to bludgeon the rest into submission by sheer weight of code. Frankly it seems that Linux has grown its own "internal" MS. A massive, overfed gorilla in the form of Red Hat. And it is now swinging its weight around, thinking it has "won" some kind of unix war. Sadly it may well be right, as there is few that can match it in the amount of man hours it can throw at a project. Damn it, https://github.com/subuser-security/subuser/issues/216 https://github.com/subuser-security/subuser/issues/216 is a "blog" entry related to Docker that holds a mention of such weight throwing. "A number of developers from RedHat were once very involved in the project. However, these developers had a very arrogant attitude towards Docker: They wanted docker changed so that it would follow their design ideas for RHEL and systemd. They often made pull requests with poorly written and undocumented code and then they became very agressive when those pull requests were not accepted, saying "we need this change we will ship a patched version of Docker and cause you problems on RHEL if you don't make this change in master." They were arogant and agressive, when at the same time, they had the choice of working with the Docker developers and writting quality code that could actually be merged. Another thing they often said was along the lines of "systemd is THE ONE AND ONLY INIT SYSTEM so why do you care about writing code that might be portable?" Or "even though the universal method works with systemd now. A redesign has already been planned in systemd, so do it the new systemd way and don't be portable."(This is in response to the fact that Docker writes to cgroups, and systemd would like to be the "sole writter to cgroups" some time in the future.)"
- thescribe 11y ago
  Thank you for the link. This makes Freedesktop seem almost sinister.
  - digi_owl 11y ago
    I do believe it was started with the best of intentions (but the road to hell is paved with those and all that). Its just that one party involved in all this has better lines of communications, more funding, and apparently a fervent belief that their solution is always the right one. End result is something of a unconscious steamrolling of everyone else.

digi_owl 11y ago

Look into its history, it got fired up by Havoc Pennington out of RH. Sadly it seemed to work at first, but now it is basically a tool for Gnome/Fedora to bludgeon the rest into submission by sheer weight of code. Frankly it seems that Linux has grown its own "internal" MS. A massive, overfed gorilla in the form of Red Hat. And it is now swinging its weight around, thinking it has "won" some kind of unix war. Sadly it may well be right, as there is few that can match it in the amount of man hours it can throw at a project. Damn it, https://github.com/subuser-security/subuser/issues/216 https://github.com/subuser-security/subuser/issues/216 is a "blog" entry related to Docker that holds a mention of such weight throwing. "A number of developers from RedHat were once very involved in the project. However, these developers had a very arrogant attitude towards Docker: They wanted docker changed so that it would follow their design ideas for RHEL and systemd. They often made pull requests with poorly written and undocumented code and then they became very agressive when those pull requests were not accepted, saying "we need this change we will ship a patched version of Docker and cause you problems on RHEL if you don't make this change in master." They were arogant and agressive, when at the same time, they had the choice of working with the Docker developers and writting quality code that could actually be merged. Another thing they often said was along the lines of "systemd is THE ONE AND ONLY INIT SYSTEM so why do you care about writing code that might be portable?" Or "even though the universal method works with systemd now. A redesign has already been planned in systemd, so do it the new systemd way and don't be portable."(This is in response to the fact that Docker writes to cgroups, and systemd would like to be the "sole writter to cgroups" some time in the future.)"

thescribe 11y ago
Thank you for the link. This makes Freedesktop seem almost sinister.
- digi_owl 11y ago
  I do believe it was started with the best of intentions (but the road to hell is paved with those and all that). Its just that one party involved in all this has better lines of communications, more funding, and apparently a fervent belief that their solution is always the right one. End result is something of a unconscious steamrolling of everyone else.