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This is an absurdly depressing outlook on life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CrOL-ydFMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CrOL-ydFMI

by scythe 11y ago

tptacek 11y ago
I don't see any connection between this post and DFW's address, nor do I understand why this would be depressing.
- angdis 11y ago
  It is depressing because it makes dubious assumptions about what is valuable-- as though not getting into MIT or Stanford means "failure". Achievement does NOT necessarily require playing a nasty, zero-sum competitive game.
  - davesque 11y ago
    Perfectly stated. Thank you.
- nemo1618 11y ago
  If I had to guess, it would be the author's apparent desire to "optimize" life -- specifically by optimizing how much you will be paid, or how you will be perceived by others. For example, he states "right now a degree in computer science is a ticket to a decent life," with the implication that it's not unreasonable to study computer science solely as a means of achieving financial security. So the depressing aspect is the thought of people directing all their energies towards "gaming the system" as effectively as possible.
  - thaumaturgy 11y ago
    As usual there's a balance to be struck. I've had my fair share of years spent chasing whatever fun thing I was into at the time. I don't regret those years at all, they were fantastic and they've contributed to my character far more than many other pursuits. But there's still nothing glamorous about not having enough money to cover basic expenses, unexpected emergencies, to live in a comfortable place, to be able to afford the transportation that will get you to your passions. I would not be worse off if I had abandoned some of my dreams a little earlier and pursued money for a little while longer.
  - chipsy 11y ago
    That's as much because of the young age as anything else. When I was in my early 20's I still wanted an edge at literally everything. Conforming to that, of course you'll be championing your "career hacks" as hard as you can, because it's such a large element of pre-adult success culture. It just took another 5-10 years of living(I'm 30 now) to settle down and find an approach and goals that actually fit me.
- sawthat 11y ago
  Do you know what you get for optimizing your life for achievement? You die. Just like everyone else.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    That is an argument for curling up into a ball in a fetal position. Note: I could give a shit about getting into an elite school (I have 1 semester at UIC, and nothing else), and a hack to do that wasn't my takeaway from the post.

This is an absurdly depressing outlook on life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CrOL-ydFMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CrOL-ydFMI

by scythe 11y ago

This is an absurdly depressing outlook on life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CrOL-ydFMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CrOL-ydFMI

tptacek 11y ago

I don't see any connection between this post and DFW's address, nor do I understand why this would be depressing.

angdis 11y ago
It is depressing because it makes dubious assumptions about what is valuable-- as though not getting into MIT or Stanford means "failure". Achievement does NOT necessarily require playing a nasty, zero-sum competitive game.
- davesque 11y ago
  Perfectly stated. Thank you.
nemo1618 11y ago
If I had to guess, it would be the author's apparent desire to "optimize" life -- specifically by optimizing how much you will be paid, or how you will be perceived by others. For example, he states "right now a degree in computer science is a ticket to a decent life," with the implication that it's not unreasonable to study computer science solely as a means of achieving financial security. So the depressing aspect is the thought of people directing all their energies towards "gaming the system" as effectively as possible.
- thaumaturgy 11y ago
  As usual there's a balance to be struck. I've had my fair share of years spent chasing whatever fun thing I was into at the time. I don't regret those years at all, they were fantastic and they've contributed to my character far more than many other pursuits. But there's still nothing glamorous about not having enough money to cover basic expenses, unexpected emergencies, to live in a comfortable place, to be able to afford the transportation that will get you to your passions. I would not be worse off if I had abandoned some of my dreams a little earlier and pursued money for a little while longer.
- chipsy 11y ago
  That's as much because of the young age as anything else. When I was in my early 20's I still wanted an edge at literally everything. Conforming to that, of course you'll be championing your "career hacks" as hard as you can, because it's such a large element of pre-adult success culture. It just took another 5-10 years of living(I'm 30 now) to settle down and find an approach and goals that actually fit me.
sawthat 11y ago
Do you know what you get for optimizing your life for achievement? You die. Just like everyone else.
- tptacek 11y ago
  That is an argument for curling up into a ball in a fetal position. Note: I could give a shit about getting into an elite school (I have 1 semester at UIC, and nothing else), and a hack to do that wasn't my takeaway from the post.