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The T&C did not say or imply that ~100% of the womens' accounts were fake. Plus you can't rely on fine print in the T&C to absolve you of engaging in a fraudule

by byset 11y ago

The T&C did not say or imply that ~100% of the womens' accounts were fake. Plus you can't rely on fine print in the T&C to absolve you of engaging in a fraudulent business relationship, that's not how contracts are enforced.

Alupis 11y ago
> The T&C did not say or imply that ~100% of the womens' accounts were fake. Nor did the T&C say or imply that any percent of the account will be genuine, or that there would be plenty of male and female accounts. The customers paid for the ability to read messages sent to them by anyone (employee, bot or real person), nothing more. Assuming something when you've been explicitly told otherwise but chose to ignore it does not equate to fraud. A person's naivety and ignorance don't equate to being defrauded.
- jsprogrammer 11y ago
  What? Their landing page says: >Ashley Madison is the most famous name in infidelity and married dating. Their Google ads say: >Have an affair -- Guaranteed Only conclusion to draw here is that you are a bot.
  - Alupis 11y ago
    5. Other Aspects of the Ashley Madison Service – For Your Entertainment Our Site and our Service gives users the opportunity to explore their fantasies and to interact with others in the Site. However, there is no guarantee you will find a date or partner on our Site or using our Service. Our Site and our Service also is geared to provide you with amusement and entertainment. You agree that some of the features of our Site and our Service are intended to provide entertainment. Others Using the Site for Entertainment You also understand and agree that there are users and members on the Site that use and subscribe to our Service for purely entertainment purposes. Those users and subscribers are not seeking physical meetings with anyone they meet on the Service, but consider their communications with users and members to be for their amusement. You acknowledge and agree that any profiles of users and members, as well as, communications from such persons may not be true, accurate or authentic and may be exaggerated or fantasy. You acknowledge and understand that you may be communicating with such persons and that we are not responsible for such communications. https://www.ashleymadison.com/app/public/tandc.p https://www.ashleymadison.com/app/public/tandc.p Seems pretty clear to me - absolutely no claim you will actually find someone to "hook-up" with. Absolutely states there are accounts being used that have no interest in you other than for entertainment purposes (ie. keeping you engaged). No fraud here, only bruised egos.
    - PhantomGremlin 11y ago
      The TOS you quoted says: You acknowledge and understand that you may be communicating with such persons and that we are not responsible for such communications. But AM is directly responsible for many (a majority of?) such communications. It's their employees doing the communicating. AM saying that they're "not responsible" is a blatant lie.
    - jsprogrammer 11y ago
      What? The "Guaranteed" ad was purchased by someone else? Marketing says guaranteed. Tiny print says "oh, heh, no guarantees". It has all of the elements of fraud. Additionally, no where in what you posted does it say that their employees or bots will be interacting with you as if they were a user, member, or subscriber.

by byset 11y ago

Alupis 11y ago

> The T&C did not say or imply that ~100% of the womens' accounts were fake. Nor did the T&C say or imply that any percent of the account will be genuine, or that there would be plenty of male and female accounts. The customers paid for the ability to read messages sent to them by anyone (employee, bot or real person), nothing more. Assuming something when you've been explicitly told otherwise but chose to ignore it does not equate to fraud. A person's naivety and ignorance don't equate to being defrauded.

jsprogrammer 11y ago
What? Their landing page says: >Ashley Madison is the most famous name in infidelity and married dating. Their Google ads say: >Have an affair -- Guaranteed Only conclusion to draw here is that you are a bot.
- Alupis 11y ago
  5. Other Aspects of the Ashley Madison Service – For Your Entertainment Our Site and our Service gives users the opportunity to explore their fantasies and to interact with others in the Site. However, there is no guarantee you will find a date or partner on our Site or using our Service. Our Site and our Service also is geared to provide you with amusement and entertainment. You agree that some of the features of our Site and our Service are intended to provide entertainment. Others Using the Site for Entertainment You also understand and agree that there are users and members on the Site that use and subscribe to our Service for purely entertainment purposes. Those users and subscribers are not seeking physical meetings with anyone they meet on the Service, but consider their communications with users and members to be for their amusement. You acknowledge and agree that any profiles of users and members, as well as, communications from such persons may not be true, accurate or authentic and may be exaggerated or fantasy. You acknowledge and understand that you may be communicating with such persons and that we are not responsible for such communications. https://www.ashleymadison.com/app/public/tandc.p https://www.ashleymadison.com/app/public/tandc.p Seems pretty clear to me - absolutely no claim you will actually find someone to "hook-up" with. Absolutely states there are accounts being used that have no interest in you other than for entertainment purposes (ie. keeping you engaged). No fraud here, only bruised egos.
  - PhantomGremlin 11y ago
    The TOS you quoted says: You acknowledge and understand that you may be communicating with such persons and that we are not responsible for such communications. But AM is directly responsible for many (a majority of?) such communications. It's their employees doing the communicating. AM saying that they're "not responsible" is a blatant lie.
  - jsprogrammer 11y ago
    What? The "Guaranteed" ad was purchased by someone else? Marketing says guaranteed. Tiny print says "oh, heh, no guarantees". It has all of the elements of fraud. Additionally, no where in what you posted does it say that their employees or bots will be interacting with you as if they were a user, member, or subscriber.