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As a cyclist, I find it frustrating when cars behave unpredictably. If you get to a 4-way stop before I do, I'm basically planning on timing my crossing to go

by barryp 11y ago

As a cyclist, I find it frustrating when cars behave unpredictably. If you get to a 4-way stop before I do, I'm basically planning on timing my crossing to go after you do - and maybe use the delay for a chance to catch my breath. But if a driver suddenly decides throw the 4-way stop etiquette out the window and start directing traffic from behind a windshield I often can't see through clearly because of tinting/my sunglasses/glare-from-the-sun. I'm at a bit of a loss...are they waving me though? talking to a kid in the back seat? messing with their phone? If I go, I'm risking my neck if they were in fact distracted and not waving me though. If I resist going out-of-turn, that's awkward because my feeling is some drivers get frustrated I'm ignoring their attempt to help me out.

pfooti 11y ago
As it happens, I learned my own behavior because I once struck a bicyclist who wasn't as predictable as you. I went to a 4-way, stopped, saw a biker approaching the intersection who hadn't stopped yet, and pulled into the intersection. The bicyclist didn't stop, was struck by my car, fell off, went to hospital. She was okay in the long run, but sued over the incident; the police officer who wrote up the event determined that I was at fault (despite eyewitnesses to the contrary) based on the claim that I should have stopped for the bicyclist. At this point, given that bikes are known to do this I really don't have any choice in the matter. I'm glad I didn't kill anyone - head trauma can be really tricky. I'm concerned that I was the victim of insurance fraud (she really did run out in front of me). My insurance company just settled the complaint - didn't want to get deep into litigation over a matter of hearsay and he-said-she-said. So, what should I do? If it's a car approaching a 4-way, I assume they will follow traffic laws. If it's a bike, I'm not so certain. My experience isn't just that one time in berkeley I hit someone, now that I live in SF, there's plenty of times when I've observed bicyclists taking their lives into their own hands and dodging traffic without obeying stop signs and red lights.

by barryp 11y ago

pfooti 11y ago

As it happens, I learned my own behavior because I once struck a bicyclist who wasn't as predictable as you. I went to a 4-way, stopped, saw a biker approaching the intersection who hadn't stopped yet, and pulled into the intersection. The bicyclist didn't stop, was struck by my car, fell off, went to hospital. She was okay in the long run, but sued over the incident; the police officer who wrote up the event determined that I was at fault (despite eyewitnesses to the contrary) based on the claim that I should have stopped for the bicyclist. At this point, given that bikes are known to do this I really don't have any choice in the matter. I'm glad I didn't kill anyone - head trauma can be really tricky. I'm concerned that I was the victim of insurance fraud (she really did run out in front of me). My insurance company just settled the complaint - didn't want to get deep into litigation over a matter of hearsay and he-said-she-said. So, what should I do? If it's a car approaching a 4-way, I assume they will follow traffic laws. If it's a bike, I'm not so certain. My experience isn't just that one time in berkeley I hit someone, now that I live in SF, there's plenty of times when I've observed bicyclists taking their lives into their own hands and dodging traffic without obeying stop signs and red lights.