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Not to mention his Visa. U.S. citizens must get visas before visiting. They can't just buy one after landing. So much of this sounds like managerial bullshit,

Not to mention his Visa. U.S. citizens must get visas before visiting. They can't just buy one after landing. So much of this sounds like managerial bullshit, to be honest. "He got on the plane straight to China and made it work like the Ayn Rand superman he truly is! You skill workers can learn a lot from this!"

mikeyouse 11y ago
I don't disagree but you can now get a 10-year 'multiple entry' visa for China if you're a US business person, so as long as you have a passport, you're free to visit whenever you're needed. http://www.usccc.org/#!china-visa/c1nj9 http://www.usccc.org/#!china-visa/c1nj9
kbenson 11y ago
Maybe you can get a visa that covers a time period instead of a trip? If he's the guy that regularly goes out there once every week or two, and that's a possibe to get a visa like that, I imagine they would. Otherwise, maybe his assistant was frantically greasing the wheels for his arrival while he was on the plan. Beyond that, the story read to me less like "a funny story about my old pal Sabih Khan" and more like "here's how much of a dick Tim Cook is". If you think saying “This is bad. Someone ought to get over there.” in the middle of a meeting and then later in that same meeting, feel compelled to single out a specific person and ask "Why are you still here?", then you are a dick. Being purposefully vague on the who and the when to then thirty minutes later single someone out for not doing something is a dick move.
- scintill76 11y ago
  It does sound dickish, but we're missing tone, body language, context, etc. It's possible those added up to something that could more accurately be transcribed as, "Why did I allow you to stay here when I just said we needed someone there? OK, go now!" On the other hand, there's this alternate quote: 'Thirty-minutes in the meeting he chided Sabih Khan, the then operations executive, saying "Why are you still here?"' [1] But, the actual source is "an anecdote reported by CNN", which might be this quote: 'Thirty minutes into that meeting Cook looked at Sabih Khan, a key operations executive, and abruptly asked, without a trace of emotion, "Why are you still here?"' [2] So, was it emotionless or chiding? Merely abrupt or rebuking? I'm interested in this because it's a case study of problems with (modern?) journalism, where one journo gets an actual quote, boils it down to a paragraph, then everyone else has to mince that up into something interesting and not plagiarised, which continues ad nauseum (in this case becoming a legendary story about an exec, inviting embellishments) until hardly anything of the true meaning is left. I kinda wish the people who have no more actual information than an intelligent search-engine-user would get out of the way so the rest of us could just read the primary source. [1] http://s4.ibtimes.com/tim-cook-man-apple-ceo-steve-jobs-trusts-256039 http://s4.ibtimes.com/tim-cook-man-apple-ceo-steve-jobs-trus... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20081206032107/http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/09/technology/cook_apple.fortune/index.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20081206032107/http://money.cnn....
  - kbenson 11y ago
    Those could very well be valid interpretations of the situation. If the story is supposed to be funny, it was delivered poorly, which may be due to the other problem you mentioned. For all we know there could be Citogenesis[1] going on at some level. 1: https://xkcd.com/978/ https://xkcd.com/978/
blackguardx 11y ago
You can get a visa good for ten years these days. Back when I traveled to China, I had an unlimited in/out visa good for a year at a time.
kryptiskt 11y ago
You can get a visa the same day for an extra fee.
cryoshon 11y ago
This is the vibe I got as well. "Let's all celebrate the the worker bee who dropped their life's obligations and went to China one afternoon!" No. Rash decisions are typically stupid decisions, and forcing one of your employees to go to China is a stupid decision. Frankly, it's also stupid to abide by that kind of stupidity-- abiding by stupidity is dangerous.
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mikeyouse 11y ago

I don't disagree but you can now get a 10-year 'multiple entry' visa for China if you're a US business person, so as long as you have a passport, you're free to visit whenever you're needed. http://www.usccc.org/#!china-visa/c1nj9 http://www.usccc.org/#!china-visa/c1nj9

kbenson 11y ago

Maybe you can get a visa that covers a time period instead of a trip? If he's the guy that regularly goes out there once every week or two, and that's a possibe to get a visa like that, I imagine they would. Otherwise, maybe his assistant was frantically greasing the wheels for his arrival while he was on the plan. Beyond that, the story read to me less like "a funny story about my old pal Sabih Khan" and more like "here's how much of a dick Tim Cook is". If you think saying “This is bad. Someone ought to get over there.” in the middle of a meeting and then later in that same meeting, feel compelled to single out a specific person and ask "Why are you still here?", then you are a dick. Being purposefully vague on the who and the when to then thirty minutes later single someone out for not doing something is a dick move.

scintill76 11y ago
It does sound dickish, but we're missing tone, body language, context, etc. It's possible those added up to something that could more accurately be transcribed as, "Why did I allow you to stay here when I just said we needed someone there? OK, go now!" On the other hand, there's this alternate quote: 'Thirty-minutes in the meeting he chided Sabih Khan, the then operations executive, saying "Why are you still here?"' [1] But, the actual source is "an anecdote reported by CNN", which might be this quote: 'Thirty minutes into that meeting Cook looked at Sabih Khan, a key operations executive, and abruptly asked, without a trace of emotion, "Why are you still here?"' [2] So, was it emotionless or chiding? Merely abrupt or rebuking? I'm interested in this because it's a case study of problems with (modern?) journalism, where one journo gets an actual quote, boils it down to a paragraph, then everyone else has to mince that up into something interesting and not plagiarised, which continues ad nauseum (in this case becoming a legendary story about an exec, inviting embellishments) until hardly anything of the true meaning is left. I kinda wish the people who have no more actual information than an intelligent search-engine-user would get out of the way so the rest of us could just read the primary source. [1] http://s4.ibtimes.com/tim-cook-man-apple-ceo-steve-jobs-trusts-256039 http://s4.ibtimes.com/tim-cook-man-apple-ceo-steve-jobs-trus... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20081206032107/http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/09/technology/cook_apple.fortune/index.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20081206032107/http://money.cnn....
- kbenson 11y ago
  Those could very well be valid interpretations of the situation. If the story is supposed to be funny, it was delivered poorly, which may be due to the other problem you mentioned. For all we know there could be Citogenesis[1] going on at some level. 1: https://xkcd.com/978/ https://xkcd.com/978/

blackguardx 11y ago

You can get a visa good for ten years these days. Back when I traveled to China, I had an unlimited in/out visa good for a year at a time.

kryptiskt 11y ago

You can get a visa the same day for an extra fee.

cryoshon 11y ago

This is the vibe I got as well. "Let's all celebrate the the worker bee who dropped their life's obligations and went to China one afternoon!" No. Rash decisions are typically stupid decisions, and forcing one of your employees to go to China is a stupid decision. Frankly, it's also stupid to abide by that kind of stupidity-- abiding by stupidity is dangerous.

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