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True, and in the abundance of "charging" stations. But it is the _only_ advantage left (see disclaimer at the end). - Reliability should be much higher with T
by jazzyk 11y ago
True, and in the abundance of "charging" stations.
But it is the _only_ advantage left (see disclaimer at the end).
- Reliability should be much higher with Tesla, as the engine is much simpler.
- Ride quality. The 7 is a boat, does not have the agility of smaller, sportier BMW models.
- Looks. Obviously subjective, but 7's styling is very conservative and has not changed much.
Disclaimer: These two cars are targeted at two quite different (though equally affluent) types of buyers. Some people prefer conservative, some sporty.
- johnward 11y agoI'd also say BMW wins in the interior also. At the price point I would still opt for a Tesla but I was commuting 120 miles round trip which gives me slight range anxiety. The P85 is my favorite of all cars I've driven so far.
- fps 11y agoPeople are always touting the "reliability" of electric cars, but that argument mostly falls flat if you're comparing it to any car built in the last 20 years. Internal combustion engines are incredibly reliable. They require basically no maintenance other than oil changes every 5K to 7K miles, and they'll run for 500K miles with no problems. If you're having any sort of engine failure in an internal combustion car built this century, someone is being malicious and trying to break your car. Tesla, on the other hand, has had to recall a percentage of their electric motors because they were ripping themselves apart after 10K miles. All the other parts of the car - the parts that actually still fail on modern vehicles - suspension, electronics, climate control, brakes, drive train, etc. are more complicated in a Tesla than in a regular car. The tesla has an electronically adjustable suspension, remotely upgradable electronics, climate control that doesn't get to run off of excess engine heat and belt driven compressors, two drivetrains (two transmissions and differentials), and regenerative braking. These systems are more complex than normal and only time will tell if they're more reliable than their legacy auto industry equivalents, but my feeling is they won't be.
- jazzyk 11y agoGood points, though BMW, specifically, hasn't had the greatest reliability record. Which is pretty appalling for an upscale brand (I am giving the Tesla a pass for now, since its tech is new and different). That's why Lexus (reliability + interiors) is the bees knees. :-)
- Eiriksmal 11y agoMichael Karesh sort of calls out Tesla for producing such a problematic vehicle in today's TrueDelta email update. After the 2015 Lincoln MKC, it's the worst new car on the survey out of dozens of models. Repair rates are hovering at 90 repairs per 100 cars for all Model Ss, 2013 - today. 2014's is, ironically, 102 repairs per 100 cars. Compare that to repair rates of 30/100 being average (Minis) for new cars and 1-3/100 being good (Toyotas and their ilk). http://www.truedelta.com/Tesla-Model-S/reliability-1095 http://www.truedelta.com/Tesla-Model-S/reliability-1095
- limeyx 11y agoI've yet to see most ICE's get 500K miles w/out - O2 sensors failing - Expensive oil leaks - Lots of belts need replacing - Head gasket need replacing (pretty expensive) Sure a 1980s Merc Diesel might make 500K and the ICE itself might last that long but the surrounding components are not cheap to maintain ....