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I don't think Telsa providing a given feature set makes them responsible for the misuse of it.

by johnnyg 11y ago

adam12 11y ago
Of course it doesn't make them responsible. I just don't think someone should be driving like that unless they are on a test track.
- beachstartup 11y ago
  i punch it at full throttle to 65mph every time i use an on-ramp. i bought a performance car to use it as advertised. perfectly legal, and appropriate, when traffic permits. in fact, if you don't, you're probably a shitty driver and need to learn how to merge. when you're merging into a river of steel doing 80mph and you're doing 45 because you're watching the consumption meter on your hybrid, you're an asshole.
  - killface 11y ago
    you must live in the bay area...
    - beachstartup 11y ago
      even worse, i live in LA.
      - aidenn0 11y ago
        Yeah SoCal has some really short on-ramps. I'm in Santa Barbara, and regularly see people hit the end of some of the sorter ones at about 35 when the freeway is going 70.
        beachstartup 11y ago
        part of the reason that stretch of 101 is perma-fucked with traffic.
    - jemfinch 11y ago
      Highways here don't go at 65, let alone 80.
  - trhway 11y ago
    yes, one thing you've got right - a lot of assholes on the road thinking that it is the other people around them who are shitty drivers. These assholes look the same today when i drive a hybrid as they looked before when i drove a sporty V8.
  - error54 11y ago
    I used to think the same thing until my friend got a ticket for "exhibition of speed."[1] Essentially yes, you can get a ticket for accelerating too quickly even you're just accelerating to the speed limit. 1 - http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Exhibition-of-Speed.htm http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal...
  - intherdfield 11y ago
    > i punch it at full throttle to 65mph every time i use an > on-ramp. i bought a performance car to use it as advertised. > > perfectly legal, and appropriate, when traffic permits. It's not perfectly legal. Look up reckless driving or exhibition of speed laws. If you have a modern performance car and you do this in front of a cop, you're very likely to get a ticket. (An older car's full throttle might be too slow to concern a police officer and the laws are vague to allow the police officer's discretion.) One can't legally use a performance car as advertised on public roads. > in fact, if you don't, you're probably a shitty driver I think you just mean you have to be at appropriate speed for a safe merge, but is full throttle really required? Unlikely.
    - beachstartup 11y ago
      that's great, but i'm still going to do it if it's illegal. i'll just deal with the consequences.
    - raisedbyninjas 11y ago
      The DOT shortens on-ramps about every decade or so to save space. Unfortunately this means that only sports cars running wide open throttle are the only ones able to safely use them. GP is simply a safe driver.
    - varelse 11y ago
      Little irks me more than the occasional driver who comes to an unnecessary stop to merge onto a highway (I rear-ended one of these geniuses once, neither car was scratched fortunately). Or the guys who slow down to 20 mph when one is supposed to merge at full speed. Sigh... That said, punching it is indeed an example of exhibition of speed and these videos clearly fit within its definition: http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Exhibition-of-Speed.htm http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal... Is someone going to arrest these people or what? J/K...
  - kylec 11y ago
    I've had people actually stop in front of me on the onramp a few times. Talk about dangerous. Now I and everyone else behind me has to get up to highway speed from 0 in about 50 feet.
  - rue 11y ago
    In addition to adverts, remember to read the highway code. Typically there’re these niggling rules about appropriate speed, not being disruptive in traffic, and such.
- rebootthesystem 11y ago
  No different from guns. It's about how and who is using them, not the guns. I've owned one or another fire-breathing twin-turbocharged performance cars most of my life. I have never caused an accident. In fact, to echo what someone else said, some of the most dangerous situations I find myself in with alarming frequency is getting on the 5 fwy right behind someone who merges onto the freeway at 45 mph with semi-trucks buzzing by and refuses to push down on the accelerator. I couldn't even count the number of times I've seen, played out right in front of me, all the makings of a horrific accident because of a slow driver. Good fast drivers are more aware (they have to be) and just get out of the way. Slow drivers are dangerous. That said, if these people were doing this on surface streets they are dangerous morons. It's no different from someone shooting a gun up in the air.
  - kbenson 11y ago
    I would agree that while driving faster is inherently more dangerous by it's nature, the small increase in danger in that case is vastly less dangerous than driving without awareness of your surroundings, or driving without awareness of consequences even if you are aware of your surroundings (I'm talking about you, puddle-jumpers and people that switch lanes with less than a few feet between their bumpers and the people around them).
alan_cx 11y ago
Dunno about the US, but here in the UK, if someone were to die in a car equipped with a button labeled "insane", for our tabloid press, that button would be the main focus and the car manufacturer would be hauled over the coals based on that alone. It would be sold to readers that having such a button encouraged insanity on the roads, and the manufacturer would be claimed to be irresponsible for having such a button. Oh, that would be true, even if the manufacturer could prove that the button was never used.
- simoncion 11y ago
  > ...[F]or our tabloid press, that button would be the main focus and the car manufacturer would be hauled over the coals based on that alone. When did tabloids change from the place where you went to get the latest scoop on The Amazing Bat Boy to publications that folks actually paid attention to? Similarly, should manufacturers design their products to be inoffensive to every bloviating, prevaricating alarmist with a blog? I don't think so. That's an unreasonable tax on both innovation and sound design. :)
  - abritinthebay 11y ago
    > the latest scoop on The Amazing Bat Boy Hmmm aside from the Sunday Sport the UK hasn't really ever had that sort of relationship with tabloids. Celebrity news though? Yeah.

I don't think Telsa providing a given feature set makes them responsible for the misuse of it.

by johnnyg 11y ago

I don't think Telsa providing a given feature set makes them responsible for the misuse of it.

Of course it doesn't make them responsible. I just don't think someone should be driving like that unless they are on a test track.

beachstartup 11y ago
i punch it at full throttle to 65mph every time i use an on-ramp. i bought a performance car to use it as advertised. perfectly legal, and appropriate, when traffic permits. in fact, if you don't, you're probably a shitty driver and need to learn how to merge. when you're merging into a river of steel doing 80mph and you're doing 45 because you're watching the consumption meter on your hybrid, you're an asshole.
- killface 11y ago
  you must live in the bay area...
  - beachstartup 11y ago
    even worse, i live in LA.
    - aidenn0 11y ago
      Yeah SoCal has some really short on-ramps. I'm in Santa Barbara, and regularly see people hit the end of some of the sorter ones at about 35 when the freeway is going 70.
      - beachstartup 11y ago
        part of the reason that stretch of 101 is perma-fucked with traffic.
  - jemfinch 11y ago
    Highways here don't go at 65, let alone 80.
- trhway 11y ago
  yes, one thing you've got right - a lot of assholes on the road thinking that it is the other people around them who are shitty drivers. These assholes look the same today when i drive a hybrid as they looked before when i drove a sporty V8.
- error54 11y ago
  I used to think the same thing until my friend got a ticket for "exhibition of speed."[1] Essentially yes, you can get a ticket for accelerating too quickly even you're just accelerating to the speed limit. 1 - http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Exhibition-of-Speed.htm http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal...
- intherdfield 11y ago
  > i punch it at full throttle to 65mph every time i use an > on-ramp. i bought a performance car to use it as advertised. > > perfectly legal, and appropriate, when traffic permits. It's not perfectly legal. Look up reckless driving or exhibition of speed laws. If you have a modern performance car and you do this in front of a cop, you're very likely to get a ticket. (An older car's full throttle might be too slow to concern a police officer and the laws are vague to allow the police officer's discretion.) One can't legally use a performance car as advertised on public roads. > in fact, if you don't, you're probably a shitty driver I think you just mean you have to be at appropriate speed for a safe merge, but is full throttle really required? Unlikely.
  - beachstartup 11y ago
    that's great, but i'm still going to do it if it's illegal. i'll just deal with the consequences.
  - raisedbyninjas 11y ago
    The DOT shortens on-ramps about every decade or so to save space. Unfortunately this means that only sports cars running wide open throttle are the only ones able to safely use them. GP is simply a safe driver.
  - varelse 11y ago
    Little irks me more than the occasional driver who comes to an unnecessary stop to merge onto a highway (I rear-ended one of these geniuses once, neither car was scratched fortunately). Or the guys who slow down to 20 mph when one is supposed to merge at full speed. Sigh... That said, punching it is indeed an example of exhibition of speed and these videos clearly fit within its definition: http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Exhibition-of-Speed.htm http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal... Is someone going to arrest these people or what? J/K...
- kylec 11y ago
  I've had people actually stop in front of me on the onramp a few times. Talk about dangerous. Now I and everyone else behind me has to get up to highway speed from 0 in about 50 feet.
- rue 11y ago
  In addition to adverts, remember to read the highway code. Typically there’re these niggling rules about appropriate speed, not being disruptive in traffic, and such.
rebootthesystem 11y ago
No different from guns. It's about how and who is using them, not the guns. I've owned one or another fire-breathing twin-turbocharged performance cars most of my life. I have never caused an accident. In fact, to echo what someone else said, some of the most dangerous situations I find myself in with alarming frequency is getting on the 5 fwy right behind someone who merges onto the freeway at 45 mph with semi-trucks buzzing by and refuses to push down on the accelerator. I couldn't even count the number of times I've seen, played out right in front of me, all the makings of a horrific accident because of a slow driver. Good fast drivers are more aware (they have to be) and just get out of the way. Slow drivers are dangerous. That said, if these people were doing this on surface streets they are dangerous morons. It's no different from someone shooting a gun up in the air.
- kbenson 11y ago
  I would agree that while driving faster is inherently more dangerous by it's nature, the small increase in danger in that case is vastly less dangerous than driving without awareness of your surroundings, or driving without awareness of consequences even if you are aware of your surroundings (I'm talking about you, puddle-jumpers and people that switch lanes with less than a few feet between their bumpers and the people around them).

alan_cx 11y ago

Dunno about the US, but here in the UK, if someone were to die in a car equipped with a button labeled "insane", for our tabloid press, that button would be the main focus and the car manufacturer would be hauled over the coals based on that alone. It would be sold to readers that having such a button encouraged insanity on the roads, and the manufacturer would be claimed to be irresponsible for having such a button. Oh, that would be true, even if the manufacturer could prove that the button was never used.

simoncion 11y ago
> ...[F]or our tabloid press, that button would be the main focus and the car manufacturer would be hauled over the coals based on that alone. When did tabloids change from the place where you went to get the latest scoop on The Amazing Bat Boy to publications that folks actually paid attention to? Similarly, should manufacturers design their products to be inoffensive to every bloviating, prevaricating alarmist with a blog? I don't think so. That's an unreasonable tax on both innovation and sound design. :)
- abritinthebay 11y ago
  > the latest scoop on The Amazing Bat Boy Hmmm aside from the Sunday Sport the UK hasn't really ever had that sort of relationship with tabloids. Celebrity news though? Yeah.