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Jesus christ you really destroyed any chance anyone had of taking your point seriously by just throwing in some racism.

radu_floricica 11y ago
I'm a misogynist as well. How does that affect my argument? That's the point of throwing in a controversial example: no matter how you feel about an issue, reality is still out there, with hard edges and sharp points. If you ignore it and go the "everything is just as good"-way, you suffer. You may feel good about yourself, but you still do worse.
- hahainternet 11y ago
  > I'm a misogynist as well. How does that affect my argument? It makes me concerned that if I agree with it, I am doing so because of equally faulty logic that has led you to believe racist and sexist claims should not be judged harshly.
- zamalek 11y ago
  > How does that affect my argument? It's irrelevant to the discussion, so: no. Both add nothing to the topic of the discussion and are thus completely worthless opinions within this context. You can be whatever you like, but your prejudices have nothing to do with OOP - leave them out of this discussion please.
- brudgers 11y ago
  That approach does not meet the norms of the HN community because it doesn't make anyone smarter or better informed and it devolves the discussion...notice now we are not talking about OOP here. Please consider deleting your comments.
- d--b 11y ago
  You have no understanding of postmodernity. It basically shows that the way you think is to project reality with all its degrees of freedom onto an axis that you arbitrarily decided and that allows you to give an order to the world and to classify things as being better than others. For instance, you seem to think that striving for getting better grades is "good", but this is not granted, who said so? God? Science? This is indeed a very modernist thinking. The problem with it is basically that you posit your view as being right before reasoning. The arguments you may have on any subject will be subjected to how you see the world in the first place. Your arguments for being misogynist probably hold perfectly together - in the value system that you constructed for yourself. They will certainly not hold in mine. Postmodernism asks "what if there was not one unique value system?" The fact that you don't understand that means that you can't be part of a productive discussion, because you will always think you're right.
  - radu_floricica 11y ago
    > The fact that you don't understand that means that you can't be part of a productive discussion, because you will always think you're right. You actually managed to make me laugh. As it happens, that's pretty much my idea of postmodernism, which I dislike just as much after your (very well-written) reminder. But doesn't it strike you as ironic that you just managed to attack everything I have to say even before I say it with what it looks like a well-placed ad-hominem, while at the same time saying that it's me who is destroying productive conversation?
    - dang 11y ago
      You've done more to destroy productive conversation than anyone else in this thread by leaping straight to the most generic and most inflammatory tangent possible. That is not what HN discussions are for. Please don't do it again.
      - radu_floricica 11y ago
        The flagged comment was doing ok (score of about 4-5) until a reply to it called it racist, which polarized the topic and caused the score to dive. This more or less confirmed the point that cultural relativism is the norm, and a bad norm at that.
        dang 11y ago
        Votes (and over-interpretations thereof) aren't relevant to violations of the HN guidelines. Obviously your comment was the one that polarized the topic, or rather moved it to a more inner circle of hell, since it was already polarized plenty. Don't do any more Molotov cocktail-tossing on HN, please.
informatimago 11y ago
Funny, you're saying that as if racism was a bad thing.

I'm a misogynist as well. How does that affect my argument? That's the point of throwing in a controversial example: no matter how you feel about an issue, reality is still out there, with hard edges and sharp points. If you ignore it and go the "everything is just as good"-way, you suffer. You may feel good about yourself, but you still do worse.

hahainternet 11y ago
> I'm a misogynist as well. How does that affect my argument? It makes me concerned that if I agree with it, I am doing so because of equally faulty logic that has led you to believe racist and sexist claims should not be judged harshly.
zamalek 11y ago
> How does that affect my argument? It's irrelevant to the discussion, so: no. Both add nothing to the topic of the discussion and are thus completely worthless opinions within this context. You can be whatever you like, but your prejudices have nothing to do with OOP - leave them out of this discussion please.
brudgers 11y ago
That approach does not meet the norms of the HN community because it doesn't make anyone smarter or better informed and it devolves the discussion...notice now we are not talking about OOP here. Please consider deleting your comments.
d--b 11y ago
You have no understanding of postmodernity. It basically shows that the way you think is to project reality with all its degrees of freedom onto an axis that you arbitrarily decided and that allows you to give an order to the world and to classify things as being better than others. For instance, you seem to think that striving for getting better grades is "good", but this is not granted, who said so? God? Science? This is indeed a very modernist thinking. The problem with it is basically that you posit your view as being right before reasoning. The arguments you may have on any subject will be subjected to how you see the world in the first place. Your arguments for being misogynist probably hold perfectly together - in the value system that you constructed for yourself. They will certainly not hold in mine. Postmodernism asks "what if there was not one unique value system?" The fact that you don't understand that means that you can't be part of a productive discussion, because you will always think you're right.
- radu_floricica 11y ago
  > The fact that you don't understand that means that you can't be part of a productive discussion, because you will always think you're right. You actually managed to make me laugh. As it happens, that's pretty much my idea of postmodernism, which I dislike just as much after your (very well-written) reminder. But doesn't it strike you as ironic that you just managed to attack everything I have to say even before I say it with what it looks like a well-placed ad-hominem, while at the same time saying that it's me who is destroying productive conversation?
  - dang 11y ago
    You've done more to destroy productive conversation than anyone else in this thread by leaping straight to the most generic and most inflammatory tangent possible. That is not what HN discussions are for. Please don't do it again.
    - radu_floricica 11y ago
      The flagged comment was doing ok (score of about 4-5) until a reply to it called it racist, which polarized the topic and caused the score to dive. This more or less confirmed the point that cultural relativism is the norm, and a bad norm at that.
      - dang 11y ago
        Votes (and over-interpretations thereof) aren't relevant to violations of the HN guidelines. Obviously your comment was the one that polarized the topic, or rather moved it to a more inner circle of hell, since it was already polarized plenty. Don't do any more Molotov cocktail-tossing on HN, please.

informatimago 11y ago

Funny, you're saying that as if racism was a bad thing.