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Not really. I'm not sure if you consider taxes: 60k euro gross is 34k euro net (2.8k euro/month). http://www.parmentier.de/steuer/steuer.htm?wagetax.htm http://

Not really. I'm not sure if you consider taxes: 60k euro gross is 34k euro net (2.8k euro/month). http://www.parmentier.de/steuer/steuer.htm?wagetax.htm http://www.parmentier.de/steuer/steuer.htm?wagetax.htm Also to pay 60k euro it will cost 21% more. So the fully loaded cost: 72.6k euro. http://www.uhy.com/employers-now-pay-average-employment-costs-worth-nearly-25-of-employees-salaries/ http://www.uhy.com/employers-now-pay-average-employment-cost... The actual figure may vary, but as a rule of thumb $60k / year is 53k euro / year for fully loaded, 43.8k euro gross, 23k euro take home / year. Doesn't seems anywhere close to Berlin senior engineer salary :-).

ousta 11y ago
actually it is... berlin senior engineer salary is around 55Keuros before tax
- philf 11y ago
  Out of curiosity, what's your source for that?
  - ousta 11y ago
    me being an european and having worked in berlin, paris, london and as such knowing the market. I'm talking about avg salary
  - coldtea 11y ago
    You're not European I take it? Even in places like Italy and such, you can get like €30Κ per year and be happy about it. In most of E.U. it's even less.
    - philf 11y ago
      I am European. I'm not doubting the number the op stated regarding Berlin, I was just curious where other people look up salary information.
      - ousta 11y ago
        well even glassdoor is accurate (it is on the high average tho) for europe at least in software jobs.
      - coldtea 11y ago
        Hah, OK. Thought it maybe was a typical "you make so little?" sneering response Europeans often get from US developers in forums such as HN. Which for some places in Europe it might be a good comparison, but for others making €40K a year might get you a far quality of life than what you get in the Bay area or the US in general for $100K (e.g. larger house, better savings, insurance, 4 weeks paid vacation, decent working hours, etc).
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ido 11y ago
I've worked as a senior game dev in Berlin and ~€4k/month gross is par for the course. Could be higher outside of games of course.

ousta 11y ago

actually it is... berlin senior engineer salary is around 55Keuros before tax

philf 11y ago
Out of curiosity, what's your source for that?
- ousta 11y ago
  me being an european and having worked in berlin, paris, london and as such knowing the market. I'm talking about avg salary
- coldtea 11y ago
  You're not European I take it? Even in places like Italy and such, you can get like €30Κ per year and be happy about it. In most of E.U. it's even less.
  - philf 11y ago
    I am European. I'm not doubting the number the op stated regarding Berlin, I was just curious where other people look up salary information.
    - ousta 11y ago
      well even glassdoor is accurate (it is on the high average tho) for europe at least in software jobs.
    - coldtea 11y ago
      Hah, OK. Thought it maybe was a typical "you make so little?" sneering response Europeans often get from US developers in forums such as HN. Which for some places in Europe it might be a good comparison, but for others making €40K a year might get you a far quality of life than what you get in the Bay area or the US in general for $100K (e.g. larger house, better savings, insurance, 4 weeks paid vacation, decent working hours, etc).
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ido 11y ago

I've worked as a senior game dev in Berlin and ~€4k/month gross is par for the course. Could be higher outside of games of course.