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$60k is even above median in Western Europe, although that's mostly due to the anomalous high value of the USD at the moment (it converts to about 4.4k euro/mon
by ido 11y ago
$60k is even above median in Western Europe, although that's mostly due to the anomalous high value of the USD at the moment (it converts to about 4.4k euro/month, which in Berlin would be a decent salary even for a senior dev).
- danielbarla 11y agoOut of curiosity, when people talk about Western European salaries in general, are they quoting the before-tax figure, or the after-tax figure? I ask because this practice seems to vary by country / continent quite a bit, and makes a rather large difference. So, e.g. if someone in Berlin quoted a 4.4k euro figure, would they likely mean after tax?
- juhq 11y agoIt is before tax. With 4400e per month, you take home somewhere around 2900 - 3000, depending on country.
- ido 11y agoI meant before taxes. The after tax quote would vary greatly (married? how much does your spouse earn? have any kids?). Married with stay-at-home spouse and 2 kids might pay half as much in taxes as a single person earning the same gross salary.
- peterjancelis 11y agoLikely before their own income tax but excluding the company payroll taxes, which are often much higher in EU than in US.
- jakozaur 11y agoNot really. I'm not sure if you consider taxes: 60k euro gross is 34k euro net (2.8k euro/month). http://www.parmentier.de/steuer/steuer.htm?wagetax.htm http://www.parmentier.de/steuer/steuer.htm?wagetax.htm Also to pay 60k euro it will cost 21% more. So the fully loaded cost: 72.6k euro. http://www.uhy.com/employers-now-pay-average-employment-costs-worth-nearly-25-of-employees-salaries/ http://www.uhy.com/employers-now-pay-average-employment-cost... The actual figure may vary, but as a rule of thumb $60k / year is 53k euro / year for fully loaded, 43.8k euro gross, 23k euro take home / year. Doesn't seems anywhere close to Berlin senior engineer salary :-).
- ousta 11y agoactually it is... berlin senior engineer salary is around 55Keuros before tax
- philf 11y agoOut of curiosity, what's your source for that?
- ousta 11y agome being an european and having worked in berlin, paris, london and as such knowing the market. I'm talking about avg salary
- coldtea 11y agoYou're not European I take it? Even in places like Italy and such, you can get like €30Κ per year and be happy about it. In most of E.U. it's even less.
- philf 11y agoI am European. I'm not doubting the number the op stated regarding Berlin, I was just curious where other people look up salary information.
- ousta 11y agowell even glassdoor is accurate (it is on the high average tho) for europe at least in software jobs.
- coldtea 11y agoHah, OK. Thought it maybe was a typical "you make so little?" sneering response Europeans often get from US developers in forums such as HN. Which for some places in Europe it might be a good comparison, but for others making €40K a year might get you a far quality of life than what you get in the Bay area or the US in general for $100K (e.g. larger house, better savings, insurance, 4 weeks paid vacation, decent working hours, etc).