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Bro if you need any verification from me let me know. I am from effected area. I have seen 3 bus stands burning in front of my eyes. Reached home with difficult

Bro if you need any verification from me let me know. I am from effected area. I have seen 3 bus stands burning in front of my eyes. Reached home with difficulty. No one stopped any one from protesting but destroying public property is not a way to protest. This guys had gone highly out of control. Banning their communication was one of the way to control them. Atleast I feel so. I am from affected area. If you want I can send you some photos I took from my mob while going home shivering.

srean 11y ago
...and the way to fix it, the only effective intervention, the only conceivable intervention is to ban / censor mobile communication, to take away the ability of all people in the area from communicating over mobile. Fair enough, seems the obvious and logical thing to do. Government caught in the noble act of governance.
- techaddict009 11y ago
  They havent banned mobile calls. They have just blocked mobile internet for 24 hours. No doubt that should have been last option. But yes they did it at last. People started pelting stones on Army. So even Army couldnt control mob via flag march or any such thing.
  - selimthegrim 11y ago
    What, the Army doesn't have teargas or rubber bullets? Or real ones, for that matter (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashimpura_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashimpura_massacre)
nitrogen 11y ago
That sounds terrifying. You have my sympathies. Could there be a better way, though? Some way to calm the mobs without silencing everyone else? In what way are the mobs using mobile Internet that requires shutting it down? I hope order and safety are restored quickly, and in a judicious and democratic way. All the best from here in the US.
- asenna 11y ago
  Another Indian here (Currently living in the US). Unfortunately, whatsapp rumors have become a huge cause of concern in recent times. "Forwarded messages" on whatsapp is an extremely common practice and a lot of times, false videos/news start trending which were originally sourced specifically to incite people. There have been instances where I have had to explain my relatives to not worry about the forwarded message they got showing some disturbing images (because in reality, they were taken from the net from some war in a distant part of the world). I am a huge proponent of Free speech but in those very tense moments in parts of the country, disrupting / stopping these false rumors from spreading can result in saving lives.
  - nitrogen 11y ago
    Is there a trusted source for verifying or refuting rumors, like a newspaper or TV channel, that could be promoted instead?
    - asenna 11y ago
      Yes, certainly. In fact the media is pretty active and usually reliable. They also help by letting people know to "Stop believing in rumors and stay calm". But I think the problem here is similar to that of older, non-tech savvy generation falling victims to Nigeriam mail scams. The thing in India is, a vast majority of the new mobile net users in India (majority belonging to lower income category) have been introduced to the internet very recently and hence are bad at judging what's spam and what's not. So imagine an area which is already tense and then the local youth get forwarded messages with an Image (pulled from the internet) of a burnt body and then some poorly edited text at the bottom saying "This is what xyz community did to our brothers. We have to stand up to this!". That's when things go terribly wrong. Please note that this is just an example and that is definitely not what happened here in Gujarat this time, but it has occured a few times in the recent past (Muzaffarnagar riots) and so the government takes no chances. But yes, I agree there has to be a better solution than just an outright disruption in services.
- notfoss 11y ago

srean 11y ago

...and the way to fix it, the only effective intervention, the only conceivable intervention is to ban / censor mobile communication, to take away the ability of all people in the area from communicating over mobile. Fair enough, seems the obvious and logical thing to do. Government caught in the noble act of governance.

techaddict009 11y ago
They havent banned mobile calls. They have just blocked mobile internet for 24 hours. No doubt that should have been last option. But yes they did it at last. People started pelting stones on Army. So even Army couldnt control mob via flag march or any such thing.
- selimthegrim 11y ago
  What, the Army doesn't have teargas or rubber bullets? Or real ones, for that matter (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashimpura_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashimpura_massacre)

nitrogen 11y ago

That sounds terrifying. You have my sympathies. Could there be a better way, though? Some way to calm the mobs without silencing everyone else? In what way are the mobs using mobile Internet that requires shutting it down? I hope order and safety are restored quickly, and in a judicious and democratic way. All the best from here in the US.

asenna 11y ago
Another Indian here (Currently living in the US). Unfortunately, whatsapp rumors have become a huge cause of concern in recent times. "Forwarded messages" on whatsapp is an extremely common practice and a lot of times, false videos/news start trending which were originally sourced specifically to incite people. There have been instances where I have had to explain my relatives to not worry about the forwarded message they got showing some disturbing images (because in reality, they were taken from the net from some war in a distant part of the world). I am a huge proponent of Free speech but in those very tense moments in parts of the country, disrupting / stopping these false rumors from spreading can result in saving lives.
- nitrogen 11y ago
  Is there a trusted source for verifying or refuting rumors, like a newspaper or TV channel, that could be promoted instead?
  - asenna 11y ago
    Yes, certainly. In fact the media is pretty active and usually reliable. They also help by letting people know to "Stop believing in rumors and stay calm". But I think the problem here is similar to that of older, non-tech savvy generation falling victims to Nigeriam mail scams. The thing in India is, a vast majority of the new mobile net users in India (majority belonging to lower income category) have been introduced to the internet very recently and hence are bad at judging what's spam and what's not. So imagine an area which is already tense and then the local youth get forwarded messages with an Image (pulled from the internet) of a burnt body and then some poorly edited text at the bottom saying "This is what xyz community did to our brothers. We have to stand up to this!". That's when things go terribly wrong. Please note that this is just an example and that is definitely not what happened here in Gujarat this time, but it has occured a few times in the recent past (Muzaffarnagar riots) and so the government takes no chances. But yes, I agree there has to be a better solution than just an outright disruption in services.
notfoss 11y ago