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The Humvee’s replacement: Oshkosh’s L-ATV
- jmcguckin 11y ago$396K each
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- steve19 11y agoThis probably includes spare parts, training and the electronics package. compared to the $200k armoured humvee, it is not that excessive.
- ansgri 11y agopretty adequate for a vehicle with remote controlled guns, electronic warfare and shot location system.
- hiccup 11y agoThat's for the base model. They add $1M in gear to each of these.
- jdhawk 11y agooh, you wanted seats and a steering wheel? What about the underbody coating....
- joshrotenberg 11y agoDon't leave out the gold package.
- chrisBob 11y agoI don't see how this can be a direct replacement. This is a much better vehicle for the HMMWV's combat role, but most of the time you actually use a HMMWV as a pickup truck with 8 soldiers sitting in the back driving around post. Does this mean that units will also get F-150s for driving around in the US?
- 0xffff2 11y agoYep. This is a great replacement for the "gun truck" version of the HMMWV, but there are numerous other variations. Cargo, medical, commo, mechanics, air defense, and doubtless many others I missed all have there own heavily customized HMMWV variants. Surely the military has plans for those as well? As a former ambulance driver, the only thing this platform seems to offer is better armor and suspension. All of the other features seem largely useless in an ambulance version of this vehicle. I wonder if the military will build variants based on it anyway or go for a separate "utility" platform.
- icegreentea 11y agoI went digging and it looks like the JLTV is a partial replacement for HMMWV. There are a quarter million HMMWV in the US Army fleet alone - the Army order for JLTV is 50k until 2040. No news on how they're going to replace the other huge chunk of HMMWV's used in low threat roles.
- kondor6c 11y agoTotally agree. That and have they planned on air dropping this behemoth? I've seen a HMMWV's with failed 'chutes lying on the DZ. Or what about a deep fording kit for this guy? I feel like they're trying to make an F-35 on land so they don't have to keep buying trucks.
- alistairSH 11y agoIn various other articles, I've seen 2-6 soldiers/Marines listed as the capacity. Also, references to differing levels of armor and armament, though I haven't seen any details. I agree that the L-ATV doesn't appear suitable as a "run errands on base" truck. I do not know what the Army plans to do for this need.
- chiph 11y agoWhen I was in (mid-80's) there was the CUCV program, which was Chevy Blazers and Silverados. They had Detroit Diesel engines and 24V power, and were designed for what you'd use a pickup and SUV for - running around base and the local area. I expect with the price and weight of the new L-ATVs, they'll bring back that program for a "runabout" vehicle.
- MindTwister 11y agoArmy Program Executive Office Combat Support & Combat Service Support Chief ...what a title
- Guthur 11y agoCan any one point to the troop carrying capacity of these, all I can find is tonnage. Seems more like a wheeled fighting vehicle than a multi purpose utility vehicle.
- ohitsdom 11y agoYesterday's HN article on the topic said two versions, seating 2 and 4 occupants.
- hiccup 11y agoMore details at wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_L-ATV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_L-ATV
- masklinn 11y agoAnd on the manufacturer's website: http://oshkoshdefense.com/vehicles/l-atv/ http://oshkoshdefense.com/vehicles/l-atv/
- DannoHung 11y agoLol, they'll end up buying this thing just in time for the next major operation to be in a flat urban environment with narrow passes.
- rtkwe 11y agoThe Humvee isn't exactly a thin vehicle either. They're the same width judging by the pictures below, which makes sense because they were designed to fit on the same aircraft. http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/1108/41601cd795da32c9c1cb.jpeg http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/1108/41601cd795da32c9c... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/JLTV_Gallery_2.jpg/800px-JLTV_Gallery_2.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/JL...
- protomyth 11y ago"The L-ATV can be transported by heavy-lift helicopter or by the Marine Corps' landing craft, but it's a much bigger payload than the Hummer, with a curb weight nearly three times that of the older vehicle: about 14,000 pounds, compared to the Humvee's 5,900 pounds." and "But the L-ATV also has better fuel efficiency than the Humvee, and its suspension system allows for 70 percent faster off-road speeds." What the heck?!? It weighs almost 3x as much but gets better gas mileage? Glad they are buying something that deals well with IEDs.
- JumpJumpJump 11y agoNitpicking about the OP but 14,000 / 5,900 is nearer to 2x than it is to 3x.
- j_syk 11y agoI believe it's a hybrid. My company makes fuel tanks for the current M-ATV from Oshkosh. Working on bids to make the tanks for this one too.
- masklinn 11y agoThere's a diesel-electric transmission option[0], but I'm not sure there's much capacity for battery-only operation so calling it a hybrid is a stretch. It allows the ATV to double as a hefty generator (120kW AC) for field ops which is pretty cool. [0] http://oshkoshdefense.com/components/propulse/ http://oshkoshdefense.com/components/propulse/
- j_syk 11y agoThe wiki directly states that the "hybrid" engine accounts for a 35% increase in efficiency. Does it need to be able to run in all electric to be considered a hybrid? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_L-ATV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_L-ATV
- masklinn 11y ago> Does it need to be able to run in all electric to be considered a hybrid? Well I'd say so, using multiple power sources is what makes a hybrid vehicle hybrid. If it must always use the ICE, it just has an electric transmission rather than a mechanical one.
- burger_moon 11y agoI just drove up through WI a couple days ago and saw trailer after trailer of Oshkosh vehicles being shipped out. I saw a new one never seen before, not this L-ATV. It looked like something out of Mad Max. It looked like it had a single seat, cockpit up high, very narrow with big wheels. Can't find it on their products listing or wiki though.I saw quite a few of them too. Is there a list of new Army vehicles being put into service I can find?
- anaptdemise 11y ago> not this L-ATV. It looked like something out of Mad Max. It looked like it had a single seat, cockpit up high, very narrow with big wheels. Probably a Husky 2G. They are tandem two seaters used for mine/IED detection and disposal.
- burger_moon 11y agoYep that looks like it. Thanks! Looks like they're built by a company in SC so it's weird they were heading out of Oshkosh.
- anaptdemise 11y agoDefense contractors aren't the most efficient manufacturers. Wouldn't surprise me if they shipped the vehicle from SC to Oshkosh to have the tires installed. But it was probably some of the mine detection equipment. They usually ship parts or vehicles all over in the process of manufacturing. For example, a microprocessor component might go through about 20 different organizations after it is originally purchased, getting modifications from each, before being installed in the final project. Makes source determination near impossible when there is a defect. EDIT: The Pearson Engineering PEROCC is pretty cool too. Adds a third seat for a gunner.
- burger_moon 11y agoThat is interesting. When I was a machinist and worked on sub components the material had to be able to be traced back to the mine that it came from. You would think something like a microprocessor would have the same level of checks.