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It seems not quite different from what Jobs did. The real difference is the degree of vision associated with reality.

by LiweiZ 11y ago

macintux 11y ago
Steve obsessed over details that would benefit users; Bezos apparently forced choices that would benefit Amazon. Seems quite a bit different.
- kzhahou 11y ago
  Please list the features that were patently anti-user and done for Amazon's sole benefit.
  - aggie 11y ago
    Parent comment didn't say anti-user, but the dedicated hardware button for identifying and purchasing goods from Amazon is pretty ridiculous. It's like an Amazon Dash button in your pocket all the time. It's hard to argue they weren't thinking Amazon-first on that one.
  - macintux 11y ago
    "But there were some serious problems with it like forced promotions where users would would prefer instead functionality, useless gimmicks, and other silliness. Without fail everytime I pointed one out, the Lead looked down a bit bashfully and admitted Bezos had insisted on this nonsense." Quote from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10127205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10127205
- LiweiZ 11y ago
  From that angle, it's the difference between a true product maker and a retailer. They have different visions, one is more user-centered and another is more oneself-organization-value-chain-centered. Unfortunately, most of people with huge capital leverage capability are not true product makers and most of true product makers do not have that capability. Jobs happened to be the one that had both. I wish he had lived till 100. Apple without Jobs seems to come out with new products by levering existing products' values or somewhat network effect in products and OS eco, not the other way around.
amaks 11y ago
Except that Jobs knew what customers would need, and Besos doesn't have a clue, he builds what mini me would want.
- sharkweek 11y ago
  That whole amazon.com thing certainly has filled a need of mine on countless occasions
gcb0 11y ago
jobs know how to entice before locking in. i give him that. bezos tried to go all in.

It seems not quite different from what Jobs did. The real difference is the degree of vision associated with reality.

by LiweiZ 11y ago

It seems not quite different from what Jobs did. The real difference is the degree of vision associated with reality.

Steve obsessed over details that would benefit users; Bezos apparently forced choices that would benefit Amazon. Seems quite a bit different.

kzhahou 11y ago
Please list the features that were patently anti-user and done for Amazon's sole benefit.
- aggie 11y ago
  Parent comment didn't say anti-user, but the dedicated hardware button for identifying and purchasing goods from Amazon is pretty ridiculous. It's like an Amazon Dash button in your pocket all the time. It's hard to argue they weren't thinking Amazon-first on that one.
- macintux 11y ago
  "But there were some serious problems with it like forced promotions where users would would prefer instead functionality, useless gimmicks, and other silliness. Without fail everytime I pointed one out, the Lead looked down a bit bashfully and admitted Bezos had insisted on this nonsense." Quote from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10127205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10127205
LiweiZ 11y ago
From that angle, it's the difference between a true product maker and a retailer. They have different visions, one is more user-centered and another is more oneself-organization-value-chain-centered. Unfortunately, most of people with huge capital leverage capability are not true product makers and most of true product makers do not have that capability. Jobs happened to be the one that had both. I wish he had lived till 100. Apple without Jobs seems to come out with new products by levering existing products' values or somewhat network effect in products and OS eco, not the other way around.

amaks 11y ago

Except that Jobs knew what customers would need, and Besos doesn't have a clue, he builds what mini me would want.

sharkweek 11y ago
That whole amazon.com thing certainly has filled a need of mine on countless occasions

gcb0 11y ago

jobs know how to entice before locking in. i give him that. bezos tried to go all in.