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Getting things that make you money and cost the other party money is extorting money.

manigandham 11y ago
So if I win a client from a competing business, I'm extorting money? Reactionary changes are just that. Raise taxes or min. wage and businesses move to do what's best for them. That's not ransom.
- fweespeech 11y ago
  > I really don't see the similarity here. Threatening to leave a locale is completely different from asking for a specific amount of money up front. A) Keyword is "threatening" as in proactive, not reactive. B) This is the clearly in the context of private individuals demanding stuff from government.
  - manigandham 11y ago
    It seems you're replying to the wrong post. That was just a subjective word used by another HN user. It's not the keyword in anything. It's just stating the reaction that will happen to proposed changes. And what's wrong with proactively warning the other side? It's the smart thing to do. The actually important point is that both sides are completely free to do as they like. The company isn't forcefully demanding money or causing harm so there's no ransom or extortion going on here.
    - fweespeech 11y ago
      http://www.businessinsider.com/states-where-teachers-unions-are-illegal-2011-2 http://www.businessinsider.com/states-where-teachers-unions-... You can bust teachers unions. Remind me again how they are forcefully demanding money?
      - manigandham 11y ago
        What does this link from 2011 have to do with anything? I'm not sure about the legalities of teachers unions or what bill was curtailing their bargaining rights (which understandably would cause protests) but there is no ransom involved in that either. Perhaps you should read these links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion
        fweespeech 11y ago
        Are you confused as to what comment thread you are replying to? XD From the OP of this conversation: > Why isn't this "ransom" language used when businesspeople threaten to move their business elsewhere, fire people, etc.?
        manigandham 11y ago
        Because it's not ransom. We're going in circles here...
lfjmfkekdk88 11y ago
So employees at Ycombinator startups are extorting money from their employers? I find your definition of ransom and extortion quite bewildering.

So if I win a client from a competing business, I'm extorting money? Reactionary changes are just that. Raise taxes or min. wage and businesses move to do what's best for them. That's not ransom.

fweespeech 11y ago
> I really don't see the similarity here. Threatening to leave a locale is completely different from asking for a specific amount of money up front. A) Keyword is "threatening" as in proactive, not reactive. B) This is the clearly in the context of private individuals demanding stuff from government.
- manigandham 11y ago
  It seems you're replying to the wrong post. That was just a subjective word used by another HN user. It's not the keyword in anything. It's just stating the reaction that will happen to proposed changes. And what's wrong with proactively warning the other side? It's the smart thing to do. The actually important point is that both sides are completely free to do as they like. The company isn't forcefully demanding money or causing harm so there's no ransom or extortion going on here.
  - fweespeech 11y ago
    http://www.businessinsider.com/states-where-teachers-unions-are-illegal-2011-2 http://www.businessinsider.com/states-where-teachers-unions-... You can bust teachers unions. Remind me again how they are forcefully demanding money?
    - manigandham 11y ago
      What does this link from 2011 have to do with anything? I'm not sure about the legalities of teachers unions or what bill was curtailing their bargaining rights (which understandably would cause protests) but there is no ransom involved in that either. Perhaps you should read these links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion
      - fweespeech 11y ago
        Are you confused as to what comment thread you are replying to? XD From the OP of this conversation: > Why isn't this "ransom" language used when businesspeople threaten to move their business elsewhere, fire people, etc.?
        manigandham 11y ago
        Because it's not ransom. We're going in circles here...

lfjmfkekdk88 11y ago

So employees at Ycombinator startups are extorting money from their employers? I find your definition of ransom and extortion quite bewildering.