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The naming and shaming is disgusting. There are people who are cheering on the hackers. They completely disregard the ramifications of this for the innocents i

The naming and shaming is disgusting. There are people who are cheering on the hackers. They completely disregard the ramifications of this for the innocents involved (the family members and loved ones of the person who signed up) who now have to deal with all this publicly. Imagine any couple that went through a rough patch and reconciled. They've already moved past this, and now they have to live with the knowledge that this information is out there to bring it public. Children being mocked at school because their mother or father was on the site. Imagine anything you dealt with in private that you didn't want to share with others, and not imagine having the choice of dealing with that in private removed from you. It's horrible.

soylentcola 11y ago
Right. It strikes me sort of like "hey! this person over here is/has acted like an asshole!" After a point, what do you gain by publicly pointing out the shortcomings of others? I'd like to think that at some point we'd just get over the whole voyeuristic, hypocritical obsession with finding new witches to burn but I'm starting to just accept that it's part of human nature.
rubicon33 11y ago
In life, you get to choose your actions, but you do not get to choose the consequences. Yes, some 'went through a rough patch' and 'already moved past this', and are now dealing with a world of pain. But ask yourself, what makes you the authority on how much pain they should have endured for their mistake? As fate would have it, whatever 'moving past' they did will now be really put to the test. This will give some couples a second chance, to really ask themselves if all is forgiven. Yes, some 'innocents' are hurting now. Some spouses, some children maybe too. Is this the fault of the hackers? I'd argue not. Ask yourself, if it weren't for the actions of the people cheating, could this have ever happened? Ashley Madison wouldn't even exist, and this hack would never have transpired, if it weren't for the liars, and cheaters, who made such a site possible. So should we be upset at the hackers, who exposed liars, and cheaters? Or should we be upset at the liars and cheaters, who thought they would get away with it? It's the liars, and the cheaters who hurt their family, not the hackers.
- ay 11y ago
  Western married straight couples are an easy case to reason about. But take a look at the below. https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/3ebzzj/i_may_get_stoned_to_death_for_gay_sex_gay_man/ https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/3ebzzj/i_may_get_ston...
- blawson 11y ago
  Or people that had their email hijacked to create accounts? https://evan.atavist.com/my-wife-found-my-email-in-the-ashley-madison-database https://evan.atavist.com/my-wife-found-my-email-in-the-ashle... Imagine being accused of adultery just because someone else preferred to sign up for an account with an email address that wasn't their own.
- timmytokyo 11y ago
  You're only seeing one side of the problem. Put yourself in the shoes of someone whose spouse was exposed by this leak. Imagine how humiliated you would be, knowing that the whole world knows your spouse was cheating on you. Sure, it might be good to know the truth, but how does it help you that friends, family and even strangers know this about you? Not only that, but it's on the Internet, where your humiliation will be permanently recorded for all to see. Yes, there are consequences for the cheater. But there are also consequences for the cheater's victims, and they're significantly exacerbated by the public nature of the leak.
  - rubicon33 11y ago
    I understand that 'side of the problem'. Trust me, it's not that I don't comprehend the impact this has on innocent people, I do, and it's very unfortunate. Where I differ, is in who I blame. It sounds like there is growing animosity toward the hackers, but that dumbfounds me. How could this hack have even transpired, if it weren't for the liars, and the cheaters, who funded this site? How could an innocent spouse be embarassed by their cheating wife, if their wife never cheated on them? Let's not get confused. The hack, exposed a morally reprehensible act by many. Here's a contrived example, that might help illuminate my point - Consider a corrupt police force in a city, where police are taking bribes, and working with organized crime, instead of helping the community. Should we shame a mole, who exposes the police force? If he does, the police will be out jobs, and will be exposed! Think about the families! You can see where I'm going with this...

soylentcola 11y ago

Right. It strikes me sort of like "hey! this person over here is/has acted like an asshole!" After a point, what do you gain by publicly pointing out the shortcomings of others? I'd like to think that at some point we'd just get over the whole voyeuristic, hypocritical obsession with finding new witches to burn but I'm starting to just accept that it's part of human nature.

rubicon33 11y ago

In life, you get to choose your actions, but you do not get to choose the consequences. Yes, some 'went through a rough patch' and 'already moved past this', and are now dealing with a world of pain. But ask yourself, what makes you the authority on how much pain they should have endured for their mistake? As fate would have it, whatever 'moving past' they did will now be really put to the test. This will give some couples a second chance, to really ask themselves if all is forgiven. Yes, some 'innocents' are hurting now. Some spouses, some children maybe too. Is this the fault of the hackers? I'd argue not. Ask yourself, if it weren't for the actions of the people cheating, could this have ever happened? Ashley Madison wouldn't even exist, and this hack would never have transpired, if it weren't for the liars, and cheaters, who made such a site possible. So should we be upset at the hackers, who exposed liars, and cheaters? Or should we be upset at the liars and cheaters, who thought they would get away with it? It's the liars, and the cheaters who hurt their family, not the hackers.

ay 11y ago
Western married straight couples are an easy case to reason about. But take a look at the below. https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/3ebzzj/i_may_get_stoned_to_death_for_gay_sex_gay_man/ https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/3ebzzj/i_may_get_ston...
blawson 11y ago
Or people that had their email hijacked to create accounts? https://evan.atavist.com/my-wife-found-my-email-in-the-ashley-madison-database https://evan.atavist.com/my-wife-found-my-email-in-the-ashle... Imagine being accused of adultery just because someone else preferred to sign up for an account with an email address that wasn't their own.
timmytokyo 11y ago
You're only seeing one side of the problem. Put yourself in the shoes of someone whose spouse was exposed by this leak. Imagine how humiliated you would be, knowing that the whole world knows your spouse was cheating on you. Sure, it might be good to know the truth, but how does it help you that friends, family and even strangers know this about you? Not only that, but it's on the Internet, where your humiliation will be permanently recorded for all to see. Yes, there are consequences for the cheater. But there are also consequences for the cheater's victims, and they're significantly exacerbated by the public nature of the leak.
- rubicon33 11y ago
  I understand that 'side of the problem'. Trust me, it's not that I don't comprehend the impact this has on innocent people, I do, and it's very unfortunate. Where I differ, is in who I blame. It sounds like there is growing animosity toward the hackers, but that dumbfounds me. How could this hack have even transpired, if it weren't for the liars, and the cheaters, who funded this site? How could an innocent spouse be embarassed by their cheating wife, if their wife never cheated on them? Let's not get confused. The hack, exposed a morally reprehensible act by many. Here's a contrived example, that might help illuminate my point - Consider a corrupt police force in a city, where police are taking bribes, and working with organized crime, instead of helping the community. Should we shame a mole, who exposes the police force? If he does, the police will be out jobs, and will be exposed! Think about the families! You can see where I'm going with this...