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Please note that the developer headset and the EPOC consumer headsets are a separate line of hardware products and are not interchangeable. The developer heads

by jcl 17y ago

Please note that the developer headset and the EPOC consumer headsets are a separate line of hardware products and are not interchangeable. The developer headset supports development whereas the consumer headsets ($299) will only work with approved applications. Or: "Please pay us an additional $200 for the chance to create anything that would create a demand for our product." No mention of the cost of "approval".

runinit 17y ago
And you need to pay them anywhere from 750 to 7500$ bucks to develop an application for it...
- speek 17y ago
  Developer headset is 500 bucks, Research edition (developer headset with EEG access) is 750, or 650 if you bought a developer headset a while ago.
anigbrowl 17y ago
Agreed, although they're adjusting, slowly. I came across this earlier this year but they didn't even have a proper developer program at that time. One can get pick up used EEG equipment pretty cheap on eBay, however, and there are some open development tools from the scientific community that run on Linux, as I recall.
mkyc 17y ago
$300 is accessible to "hobbyist" researchers (hackers) - this is the main point of this story - and hackers will crack DRM.
anotherjesse 17y ago
I guess I should have read the fine print. I ordered the $300 device after they sent an email a couple months ago. It supposedly has shipped and will arrive any moment - I didn't realize it would be cripple-ware
- wvenable 17y ago
  From the description, these are still the full headsets you get with the other editions, you just don't get the SDK. You might not have that much trouble hacking it. Once it's in your hands, you can start sniffing the USB traffic. They say it doesn't require a driver, so it's probably a USB HID device which is even better and easier to work with. You might still get pretty far even without the SDK. Once it arrives, you could post here on Hackernews for some help. I have a bit of experience reverse-engineering USB devices, but I'm sure there are others here that could help even more.

by jcl 17y ago

runinit 17y ago

And you need to pay them anywhere from 750 to 7500$ bucks to develop an application for it...

speek 17y ago
Developer headset is 500 bucks, Research edition (developer headset with EEG access) is 750, or 650 if you bought a developer headset a while ago.

anigbrowl 17y ago

Agreed, although they're adjusting, slowly. I came across this earlier this year but they didn't even have a proper developer program at that time. One can get pick up used EEG equipment pretty cheap on eBay, however, and there are some open development tools from the scientific community that run on Linux, as I recall.

mkyc 17y ago

$300 is accessible to "hobbyist" researchers (hackers) - this is the main point of this story - and hackers will crack DRM.

anotherjesse 17y ago

I guess I should have read the fine print. I ordered the $300 device after they sent an email a couple months ago. It supposedly has shipped and will arrive any moment - I didn't realize it would be cripple-ware

wvenable 17y ago
From the description, these are still the full headsets you get with the other editions, you just don't get the SDK. You might not have that much trouble hacking it. Once it's in your hands, you can start sniffing the USB traffic. They say it doesn't require a driver, so it's probably a USB HID device which is even better and easier to work with. You might still get pretty far even without the SDK. Once it arrives, you could post here on Hackernews for some help. I have a bit of experience reverse-engineering USB devices, but I'm sure there are others here that could help even more.