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I said without evoking the supernatural. The concept of a soul is supernatural. There's no reason to think consciousness is anything other than physical in na

I said without evoking the supernatural. The concept of a soul is supernatural. There's no reason to think consciousness is anything other than physical in nature -- but to the extent that you mean it in some kind of supernatural, extra-physical way, it's not part of this conversation. By all means go on thinking there might be some supernatural thing called a "free will" if you want. But if it's supernatural, then the utterly natural laws of QM wouldn't have much to say about it.

haberman 11y ago
> There's no reason to think consciousness is anything other than physical in nature Consciousness is not the same thing as agency. It is possible that we are conscious but do not actually have free will / agency. > By all means go on thinking there might be some supernatural thing called a "free will" if you want. But if it's supernatural, then the utterly natural laws of QM wouldn't have much to say about it. I am not sure I agree. If QM implies a strict determinism, to me that rules out free will. For free will to be plausible, there has to be a place for non-determinism to "hide." If QM can rule that out, to me that rules out free will.