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>Hardware support >● i686 >● start of 64bit support WTF? They started 30 years ago and still on an 32bit architecture nobody cares anymore? Beside that, I rea

>Hardware support >● i686 >● start of 64bit support WTF? They started 30 years ago and still on an 32bit architecture nobody cares anymore? Beside that, I really don't get the point of all this, seriously. Not from a technological benefit, be warned, but from a user perspective the benefit is almost intangible. Why should the average sysadmin care? Linux is a rock solid kernel that does everything, what is the niche that Hurd is filling?

soong 11y ago
>>Beside that, I really don't get the point of all this, seriously. Not from a technological benefit, be warned, but from a user perspective the benefit is almost intangible. Why should the average sysadmin care? Linux is a rock solid kernel that does everything, what is the niche that Hurd is filling? Well, that's debatable. Linux just crossed the 20 MLOCs bar. Granted, this is mostly driver code which you will only need a small subset of, but still: Linux is a huge complex blob. Linus himself said it's bloated years ago[1] and that it has a high entry barrier for new developers due to its complexity[can't find the link right now]. My guess would be that this is partly due to its classic monolithic architecture and partly due to their developement model[2]. After working with Plan9 for a while I can't help but take my hat off to the beauty and simplicity of the system. Especially as a sysadmin your life would be so much easier. No LDAP, no Kerberos, no NFS, no need to update or deploy software on/to terminals. But as it stands we're living in a land where every computer thinks it is a Mainframe. Linux has done a great deal for OSS and will without question be around for quite some time but you have to wonder how computing would look like today, if history had taken a few diffenent turns. FWIW: Is it just me, or is OS R&D gaining a little more traction lately after it almost stagnated in the 2000s ? [1] http://www.cnet.com/news/linus-torvalds-linux-is-bloated/ http://www.cnet.com/news/linus-torvalds-linux-is-bloated/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Linux#Kernel_code_quality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Linux#Kernel_code...
- viraptor 11y ago
  I think there was some serious experimentation in 2000s, just not in the area of popular systems. Plan9 started to hit the news properly around then. A few OSes in managed languages were developed: MS Singularity, and smaller experiments like JNode and SharpOS.
steve-howard 11y ago
You realize i686 is a catch-all term for 32-bit x86 processors, right? It's arguably the only 32-bit architecture anyone cares about.
- davexunit 11y ago
  ARMv7?
- Qwertious 11y ago
  A lot of phones are 32bit.

soong 11y ago

>>Beside that, I really don't get the point of all this, seriously. Not from a technological benefit, be warned, but from a user perspective the benefit is almost intangible. Why should the average sysadmin care? Linux is a rock solid kernel that does everything, what is the niche that Hurd is filling? Well, that's debatable. Linux just crossed the 20 MLOCs bar. Granted, this is mostly driver code which you will only need a small subset of, but still: Linux is a huge complex blob. Linus himself said it's bloated years ago[1] and that it has a high entry barrier for new developers due to its complexity[can't find the link right now]. My guess would be that this is partly due to its classic monolithic architecture and partly due to their developement model[2]. After working with Plan9 for a while I can't help but take my hat off to the beauty and simplicity of the system. Especially as a sysadmin your life would be so much easier. No LDAP, no Kerberos, no NFS, no need to update or deploy software on/to terminals. But as it stands we're living in a land where every computer thinks it is a Mainframe. Linux has done a great deal for OSS and will without question be around for quite some time but you have to wonder how computing would look like today, if history had taken a few diffenent turns. FWIW: Is it just me, or is OS R&D gaining a little more traction lately after it almost stagnated in the 2000s ? [1] http://www.cnet.com/news/linus-torvalds-linux-is-bloated/ http://www.cnet.com/news/linus-torvalds-linux-is-bloated/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Linux#Kernel_code_quality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Linux#Kernel_code...

viraptor 11y ago
I think there was some serious experimentation in 2000s, just not in the area of popular systems. Plan9 started to hit the news properly around then. A few OSes in managed languages were developed: MS Singularity, and smaller experiments like JNode and SharpOS.

steve-howard 11y ago

You realize i686 is a catch-all term for 32-bit x86 processors, right? It's arguably the only 32-bit architecture anyone cares about.

davexunit 11y ago
ARMv7?
Qwertious 11y ago
A lot of phones are 32bit.