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Its not required to install apps through the MAS.

by rdsnsca 11y ago

15155 11y ago
Yet. First it was a setting in the preference panel, preventing you from installing non-MAS apps without disabling it. Next it's the upcoming rootless OS X, System Integrity Protection: it's only a matter of time until the ability to install non-MAS apps is completely removed, buried, or hidden in Recovery mode (as the SIP setting is) I suspect this will happen within the next one or two major versions of OS X.
- jeromegv 11y ago
  This setting in Preference Panel is opt-in, not opt-out. Default behaviour does not reject non-MAS apps. Most likely a security setting for companies or restricted environments. The rest is pure speculation.
  - joesmo 11y ago
    Default behavior rejects anything not in the MAS or signed by Apple developers. It also resets to this default on every OS upgrade. Seems pretty clear it's not only opt-out, it's opt-out until the next upgrade when Apple will ram it down your fucking throat again just because they can and call it "good design." Fuck them.
  - 15155 11y ago
    Which part was speculation? The SIP setting is most certainly "opt-out." Have you demoed El Capitan? The Preferences -> Security -> Allow non-MAS/non-signed apps setting is most certainly "opt-out" on any machine you buy from Apple or at the store. Prefacing something with "I suspect" generally allows one to speculate. The trend is that you're gradually losing control of your machine.
- danieldk 11y ago
  Yet. And we have heard this for how long already? Doing so would basically be suicide for the Mac. First of all because a sizeable chunk of users are technical users. Secondly, a lot of software is not available in the Mac App store and likely will never be (I think Microsoft and Adobe would rather abandon OS X than giving 30% for each cloud subscription to Apple and being at the mercy of the MAS gatekeepers).
  - teacup50 11y ago
    Every single release, Apple tightens the restrictions and grandfathers in the existing things people use. It's not "yet" -- it's now, with each release, and getting worse each time.
    - s73v3r 11y ago
      No, it isn't. Not even close.
  - tempodox 11y ago
    As to your question of “how long already”, I found a blog post (not mine) from 2000 A.D. that considers “The Future of Apple's Curated Computing”: http://widgetsandshit.com/teddziuba/2010/05/the-future-of-apples-curated-computing.html http://widgetsandshit.com/teddziuba/2010/05/the-future-of-ap...
- tempodox 11y ago
  I see the same tendency and I don't like it at all. It seems only a question of time until you will have to decide whether you want a computer or a Mac.
- mason55 11y ago
  And if this happens then I won't upgrade or I will stop buying Macs. Until then I find them to be the best laptops on the market.
- joesmo 11y ago
  And every single version, including minor version upgrades, this setting goes back to "MAS and identified developers," despite me explicitly setting to "Anywhere." If that isn't obnoxiously bad UI design (that I'm sure some idiot will defend), I don't know what is. I love the hardware, but the software is slowly turning to shit because of bugs (especially core bugs like not supporting many Bluetooth or RF mice/trackballs) and "features" like this. No two ways about it.
  - porsupah 11y ago
    Your installation would appear to be anomalous, as such reversion of that (or indeed, any) preference isn't the norm.
    - joesmo 11y ago
      Nope. Tested it on three different systems and it happens every single upgrade.
      - jaegerpicker 11y ago
        It hasn't happened to me, on any Mac that I use. 7 different OS installs (I develop for iOS and Mac professionally) something is wrong with your profile that you are restoring or something. That's not the standard MacOS behavior.
    - tempodox 11y ago
      It wasn't the norm in the past, but that has changed. For those whose memory goes back to the pre-X MacOS, there has been a decline in “respecting your user's decisions” and an increase in inconsistencies. Progress in some areas has definitely cost quality in others.
      - kstrauser 11y ago
        I'm using the Yosemite beta and it hasn't reverted my setting.
  - 11y ago
- jkyle 11y ago
  > First it was a setting in the preference panel, preventing you from installing non-MAS apps without disabling it. Pretty sure the default is MAS + Signed Apps. This setting also doesn't actually stop you from installing a non-signed app. You just have to right click and select open to bypass the warning. I actually keep this enabled so I know if an app isn't signed. So installing non-signed apps is a conscious decision.
  - JadeNB 11y ago
    > You just have to right click and select open to bypass the warning. I think that you also need an admin password, which can be an issue for users who don't control their machines. (My work distributes Macs with users configured to be admins, but on Windows machines only allows standard users, so I assume that it's only a matter of time until they change policies and this bites me.)
    - JadeNB 11y ago
      I'm a little surprised by the downvote; I may have made a mistake, or it may be something peculiar about my configuration, but, when I try to run an application, even if I control-click to bypass the policy, I still have to enter my administrative password. Is this not the way it usually behaves? (As I say, it's a work computer, so perhaps they have some unusual security policy in place.)
- s73v3r 11y ago
  I suspect you're crazy pants.

Its not required to install apps through the MAS.

by rdsnsca 11y ago

Its not required to install apps through the MAS.

15155 11y ago

Yet. First it was a setting in the preference panel, preventing you from installing non-MAS apps without disabling it. Next it's the upcoming rootless OS X, System Integrity Protection: it's only a matter of time until the ability to install non-MAS apps is completely removed, buried, or hidden in Recovery mode (as the SIP setting is) I suspect this will happen within the next one or two major versions of OS X.

jeromegv 11y ago
This setting in Preference Panel is opt-in, not opt-out. Default behaviour does not reject non-MAS apps. Most likely a security setting for companies or restricted environments. The rest is pure speculation.
- joesmo 11y ago
  Default behavior rejects anything not in the MAS or signed by Apple developers. It also resets to this default on every OS upgrade. Seems pretty clear it's not only opt-out, it's opt-out until the next upgrade when Apple will ram it down your fucking throat again just because they can and call it "good design." Fuck them.
- 15155 11y ago
  Which part was speculation? The SIP setting is most certainly "opt-out." Have you demoed El Capitan? The Preferences -> Security -> Allow non-MAS/non-signed apps setting is most certainly "opt-out" on any machine you buy from Apple or at the store. Prefacing something with "I suspect" generally allows one to speculate. The trend is that you're gradually losing control of your machine.
danieldk 11y ago
Yet. And we have heard this for how long already? Doing so would basically be suicide for the Mac. First of all because a sizeable chunk of users are technical users. Secondly, a lot of software is not available in the Mac App store and likely will never be (I think Microsoft and Adobe would rather abandon OS X than giving 30% for each cloud subscription to Apple and being at the mercy of the MAS gatekeepers).
- teacup50 11y ago
  Every single release, Apple tightens the restrictions and grandfathers in the existing things people use. It's not "yet" -- it's now, with each release, and getting worse each time.
  - s73v3r 11y ago
    No, it isn't. Not even close.
- tempodox 11y ago
  As to your question of “how long already”, I found a blog post (not mine) from 2000 A.D. that considers “The Future of Apple's Curated Computing”: http://widgetsandshit.com/teddziuba/2010/05/the-future-of-apples-curated-computing.html http://widgetsandshit.com/teddziuba/2010/05/the-future-of-ap...
tempodox 11y ago
I see the same tendency and I don't like it at all. It seems only a question of time until you will have to decide whether you want a computer or a Mac.
mason55 11y ago
And if this happens then I won't upgrade or I will stop buying Macs. Until then I find them to be the best laptops on the market.
joesmo 11y ago
And every single version, including minor version upgrades, this setting goes back to "MAS and identified developers," despite me explicitly setting to "Anywhere." If that isn't obnoxiously bad UI design (that I'm sure some idiot will defend), I don't know what is. I love the hardware, but the software is slowly turning to shit because of bugs (especially core bugs like not supporting many Bluetooth or RF mice/trackballs) and "features" like this. No two ways about it.
- porsupah 11y ago
  Your installation would appear to be anomalous, as such reversion of that (or indeed, any) preference isn't the norm.
  - joesmo 11y ago
    Nope. Tested it on three different systems and it happens every single upgrade.
    - jaegerpicker 11y ago
      It hasn't happened to me, on any Mac that I use. 7 different OS installs (I develop for iOS and Mac professionally) something is wrong with your profile that you are restoring or something. That's not the standard MacOS behavior.
  - tempodox 11y ago
    It wasn't the norm in the past, but that has changed. For those whose memory goes back to the pre-X MacOS, there has been a decline in “respecting your user's decisions” and an increase in inconsistencies. Progress in some areas has definitely cost quality in others.
    - kstrauser 11y ago
      I'm using the Yosemite beta and it hasn't reverted my setting.
- 11y ago
jkyle 11y ago
> First it was a setting in the preference panel, preventing you from installing non-MAS apps without disabling it. Pretty sure the default is MAS + Signed Apps. This setting also doesn't actually stop you from installing a non-signed app. You just have to right click and select open to bypass the warning. I actually keep this enabled so I know if an app isn't signed. So installing non-signed apps is a conscious decision.
- JadeNB 11y ago
  > You just have to right click and select open to bypass the warning. I think that you also need an admin password, which can be an issue for users who don't control their machines. (My work distributes Macs with users configured to be admins, but on Windows machines only allows standard users, so I assume that it's only a matter of time until they change policies and this bites me.)
  - JadeNB 11y ago
    I'm a little surprised by the downvote; I may have made a mistake, or it may be something peculiar about my configuration, but, when I try to run an application, even if I control-click to bypass the policy, I still have to enter my administrative password. Is this not the way it usually behaves? (As I say, it's a work computer, so perhaps they have some unusual security policy in place.)
s73v3r 11y ago
I suspect you're crazy pants.